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Offline SanDisk78Topic starter

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games dont't run on A3000 normally
« on: August 14, 2016, 11:16:17 AM »
I have an Amiga 3000 with a gotek Floppy emulator. Specs are 68030/68882fpu/68030mmu
fast ram = 8 megschip ram = 2 megs

I tried many games... Nearly all stopp responding or fail - for example the Days of Thunder or Dawn Patrol ... Eye of Beholder I fails at the moment of changing levels...

Only ELF runs normally...

Is it a hardware failure or A3000 is not a gaming computer ?

Tried to disable CPU cache at startup menu...

Also in emulator when emulating A3000 the same happends to the Days Of Thunder... and when emulating A600 - it runs ok.
 

Offline spaceman88

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Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2016, 11:59:01 AM »
I never did much gaming on my A3000, but on my A4000 I had to use a program called "Degrader" to make it look like a 1.3 OS A500, which is what many of the early games were written for. Not sure where you are located but most of the ADF games floating around are PAL (even if a NTSC version was produced), so if your in North America you may need to boot into PAL as well (Degrader also).
 

Offline paul1981

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2016, 12:33:59 PM »
TUDE was good too / T.U.D.E.

You have to remember that most games were programmed before the 68020 / 68030 were widely adopted, so game programmers targeted their mass audiance - 68000 KS1.2/1.3 Amiga with 512K / 1MB Chip RAM. Now this wouldn't be an issue if they had followed Commodore's programming guidelines but most didn't care about such things, so we hit a few problems with some games. TUDE or Degrader are great for running old floppy games (especially coupled with softkicking Kickstart 1.3). Fast RAM can be disabled too, as well as all CPU caches - coupled with Kickstart 1.3 you should be okay. Lots of other options too I can't remember...long time ago since I fiddled with such things. So yeah, with a degrading tool (and possibly just softkicking 1.3) you should be able to run the majority with your GOTEK (that's my educated guess).

Ultimately, best solution is WHDLoad in my opinion, as it saves all of this hassle with old games. I have 2000 games in a menu, all installed on my hard drive. For GOTEK though I'd use an A500 or unexpanded A2000 for floppy game compatibility if it was me.
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2016, 04:58:51 PM »
Use WHDLoad. :)
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline paul1981

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2016, 09:07:05 PM »
Upgrade to Kickstart 1.3. Did I get that right Mike? :)
 

Offline utri007

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2016, 10:10:37 PM »
Quote from: SanDisk78;812541
I have an Amiga 3000 with a gotek Floppy emulator. Specs are 68030/68882fpu/68030mmu
fast ram = 8 megschip ram = 2 megs

I tried many games... Nearly all stopp responding or fail - for example the Days of Thunder or Dawn Patrol ... Eye of Beholder I fails at the moment of changing levels...

Only ELF runs normally...

Is it a hardware failure or A3000 is not a gaming computer ?

Tried to disable CPU cache at startup menu...

Also in emulator when emulating A3000 the same happends to the Days Of Thunder... and when emulating A600 - it runs ok.


You have very nice Amiga, with gotek you woun't get full benefits of it. Install hard drive and use whdload installed games with it.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2016, 06:30:45 AM »
Quote from: paul1981;812570
Upgrade to Kickstart 1.3. Did I get that right Mike? :)
 Nah, too new.  Should stick with 1.1 for compatibility with the earliest A1000 games.  :lol:
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

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Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2016, 10:52:00 PM »
I have had a lot of luck with my A3000 by using the 68k emulation and OCS chipset setting.  But some games will refuse to run so I pop them in my A1000 or A2000 to play :).   My A500+ also seems to have some issues (2.0 ROM) with games that are specific for 1.2/1.3.  A lot of the earlier games play fine on A1000/2000/2500/500.
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2016, 11:02:39 PM »
Quote from: amigakid;812635
I have had a lot of luck with my A3000 by using the 68k emulation and OCS chipset setting.  But some games will refuse to run so I pop them in my A1000 or A2000 to play :).   My A500+ also seems to have some issues (2.0 ROM) with games that are specific for 1.2/1.3.  A lot of the earlier games play fine on A1000/2000/2500/500.


You guys do realize WHDLoad fixes all these problems, right? :lol:
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Offline SACC-guy

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2016, 11:08:26 PM »
@old..mike

No, as a non-gamer, I don't know what whdload does.
Isn't it just for loading games to hard-drives?
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2016, 11:25:52 PM »
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline utri007

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2016, 11:33:40 PM »
Quote from: SACC-guy;812637
@old..mike

No, as a non-gamer, I don't know what whdload does.
Isn't it just for loading games to hard-drives?


99% of games wich I have tested works with my machines with WHDLoad. You machine is compatiable when compared to to my 68040 /68060 AGA machines.

Whdload is way to go. Just set up it with patience and prety much every game works. With google you can found lots of preinstalled whdload games.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline paul1981

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2016, 01:52:22 AM »
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Nah, too new.  Should stick with 1.1 for compatibility with the earliest A1000 games.  :lol:


No Cloanto commission for you today then. Haha :rofl:
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2016, 04:07:00 AM »
Quote from: paul1981;812643
No Cloanto commission for you today then. Haha :rofl:

Dangit, that extra .05 cents, how will I save for my retirement, now!?  :roflmao:
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

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Re: games dont't run on A3000 normally
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2016, 08:31:02 AM »
Thank everybody for the advice. I'll try to reinstall the workbench and install  WHDLoad...)