Personal Paint 7.3a for 68k bug

[dschallock]

I just bought and installed the new version of Personal Paint 7.3a from A-eon and I believe I am encountering a bug.

Using any drawing tool (freehand, box, circle, etc) if I have the single pixel brush selected (from the top of the tool menu... top left), it will not draw anything.  If I select any other size brush it paints normally but when selecting the single pixel nothing.  If I right click a larger size brush and then resize it down to a single pixel then everything works fine but if I then select a larger brush then select back to a single pixel again... nothing.

Anyone else using the latest version for 68k from A-eon encountered this?

Thanks,
Dan

[stefcep2]

I just bought and installed the new version of Personal Paint 7.3a from A-eon and I believe I am encountering a bug.

Using any drawing tool (freehand, box, circle, etc) if I have the single pixel brush selected (from the top of the tool menu... top left), it will not draw anything.  If I select any other size brush it paints normally but when selecting the single pixel nothing.  If I right click a larger size brush and then resize it down to a single pixel then everything works fine but if I then select a larger brush then select back to a single pixel again... nothing.

Anyone else using the latest version for 68k from A-eon encountered this?

Thanks,
Dan

Just checked it on PAL, Highgfx, Cybergphx, single pixel dotted, continuous, fill, etc, all work fine.

If you're using native screen modes and things like fblit ftext it might be causing a conflict.

[dschallock]

I don't know what those 2 apps are (fblit and ftext) I did installing "betterwb" on top of a fresh 3.1 installation.  Is that something that betterwb could have installed?

[dschallock]

Ok, so I went into PPaint settings and under settings/graphics/ I turned *on* "Amiga Blitter" and now it seems to draw the single pixel fine.  Should Amiga blitter be on anyway when using standard Amiga screenmodes?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

FBlit and FText use the Amiga Blitter to speed up graphics and text operations, respectively.  They're both free on Aminet and are pretty much "must-have" utilities, especially for non-accelerated (<68030) or non-graphics card users.

The BetterWB page doesn't specifically mention if it adds them ( http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/BetterWB.htm )  but again, for any non-graphics card system in particular, I would.

Not sure what "Amiga Blitter" setting in PPaint does, but if I ever see the option for using the Blitter, I'd turn it on (unless after doing so, you notice it causes problems, of course).  

[psxphill]

FBlit and FText use the Amiga Blitter to speed up graphics and text operations, respectively.  They're both free on Aminet and are pretty much "must-have" utilities, especially for non-accelerated (<68030) or non-graphics card users.

That is backwards. FBlit and FText patch graphics.library so they don't use the blitter anymore.

They are most effective if you have 68030 or later, on an unexpanded a500 for example it would be slower than using the blitter (it may even refuse to install).

I can't see it in betterwb documentation. I'm not convinced that betterwb is better.

[paul1981]

BetterWB I doubt very much uses FBlit/FText as it's a hack which can cause problems in some cases...incompatible I think with the Philosophy of BetterWB.

I love FBlit and FText though, makes AGA speed along nicely on the OS.

[utri007]

FBlit is usefull for :

- Decreases chip ram use, so games can started from OS, even if it has lots eye candy.
- Speed up OS or any app and many games. Napalm / Simcity 200 got much smoother screen scolling with it. Doom style games are no go.
- Best with 040/060 wich are much faster than blitter.

Fblit is now a open sourced.

https://github.com/SamuraiCrow/fblit

Original author planned to make a FBlit screen mode, that would be usefull.

[dschallock]

well I got the personal paint issue solved by turning on amiga blitter.

Now after reading the feedback on fblit I am tempted to try it, but it sounds like it does have some compatibility issues... and I hate those. I do have a 40mhz 68040 so it sounds like it would be faster at somethings... but I would hate to have some programs acting all buggy.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

That is backwards.

LOL.  Teach me to have my coffee before I start writing nonsense on the forums.  :roflmao:


OP - try them and see?  If things start acting all buggy you can remove them easily enough.  

[paul1981]

well I got the personal paint issue solved by turning on amiga blitter.

Now after reading the feedback on fblit I am tempted to try it, but it sounds like it does have some compatibility issues... and I hate those. I do have a 40mhz 68040 so it sounds like it would be faster at somethings... but I would hate to have some programs acting all buggy.

You should give it a go, on an 040 @ 40 MHz it will be WELL worth it. I could never get the Include mode on it to configure or configure exclusions either, so I use it in Exclude mode with no exclusions...which basically means it will patch all new screens/programs with FBlit (read the docs well, and make sure you create a config file and that it's actually using it). The only FBlit issue I've ever had, I think was with a game called Mr Beanbag - which runs from Workbench.

[paul1981]

That is backwards. FBlit and FText patch graphics.library so they don't use the blitter anymore.

They are most effective if you have 68030 or later, on an unexpanded a500 for example it would be slower than using the blitter (it may even refuse to install).

I can't see it in betterwb documentation. I'm not convinced that betterwb is better.

Before I had an accelerator for my A1200, I had a simple Fast RAM / RTC card. I didn't use FBlit or FText back then (I don't think it was out then) but I used other programs like FWB or FasterBlitter (something like that) and even that made a substantial improvement with text scrolling (very noticable in Multiview for example) and only on a 14MHz A1200!

I know FBlit is much more sophisticated, one day I might try it on that same config though just to see if it's worth it.