Why I want an A-Eon X5000

[magnetic]

Good idea if you want x5000 dont wait buy it when it comes out.

I will say I weep with all the man hours spent on writing alien drivers for overpriced exotic hardware with almost no software whatso ever. I have a peg2 but use some classic amiga software on os4. There has been so much development time wasted on porting to new hw imho.

[amoskodare]

way to go Marko:hammer::pint: I remember that we bought our Sam flex at 800's the same time back in 2009:)

Haha, I remember that too Those were the days :hat::pint:

[agami]

Why I want a A-Eon AmigaOne X5000!
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You forgot to sign your essay. Also there's spelling and grammatical mistakes, D -

[fishy_fiz]

Heh, by the time its available ram and graphics cards will have to be sourced either 2nd hand or as NOS, so the whole buying new as an advantage needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
AMD have already moved on from S.I, and ddr3-1333 is somewhat archaic.


Not that this will detract from the user experience. My 5 year old 4ghz quad core AROS box is still great fun, despite being 2nd hand and massively outdated. If the x5000 can reach even %25 of that systems performance then its almost at that bare minimum for modern computing type level.

[ferrellsl]

@psxphill

It maybe fair comment that software technologies have not progressed as fast for a few years on OS4 and therefore emulation has closed the gap.  However, this is now changing with Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0 being available on OS4.  The power of the X5000, X1000 and a RadeonHD R7 or R9 card will really be put to good use with the advent of modern Shader 3D technology on AmigaOS.   It will be a long time before WinUAE gets near that level, if it ever will.

Since when has OpenGLES 2.0 been released/available for OS4?  Oh, that's right.....it hasn't been made available.  I understand that AmigaKit is in the business of making money from Amiga users, but for those who have been away from the Amiga scene for a while who are maybe looking to get back into Amiga ownership, AmigaKit's statement is misleading at best.  It's all smoke, mirrors, and cheap talk until something is really released, if it's released.

[psxphill]

It maybe fair comment that software technologies have not progressed as fast for a few years on OS4 and therefore emulation has closed the gap.  However, this is now changing with Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0 being available on OS4.  The power of the X5000, X1000 and a RadeonHD R7 or R9 card will really be put to good use with the advent of modern Shader 3D technology on AmigaOS.   It will be a long time before WinUAE gets near that level, if it ever will.

Predicting WinUAE development is not my area of expertise, I was surprised it took so long for them to emulate PPC. When people are doing things for free then you can't really tell.

Emulating a radeon is likely to be harder than emulating a PPC, but the supported radeons are nearly 3 years old now. It will just take someone caring enough to put the work in.

It may be exciting hardware for amiga users, but it's trailing edge compared to other markets at the same price point.

[kreciu]

Since when has OpenGLES 2.0 been released/available for OS4?  Oh, that's right.....it hasn't been made available.  I understand that AmigaKit is in the business of making money from Amiga users, but for those who have been away from the Amiga scene for a while who are maybe looking to get back into Amiga ownership, AmigaKit's statement is misleading at best.  It's all smoke, mirrors, and cheap talk until something is really released, if it's released.

... and people will play... Quake?

[amigakit]

@ferrellsl

I am not sure if you have been following the recent developments.

I am pleased to confirm that the OpenGL ES 2.0 library is in my Libs drawer right now, latest update with Stencil buffering added this week.  A collection of prominent 3D Amiga developers have been using the library for the last few months with Daniel Muessener producing three releases during the last 6 weeks (latest v1.2).

... and people will play... Quake?

Quake is a fixed-pipeline old game from the OpenGL 1 era.  The new Warp3D Nova adds Shader support to AmigaOS for the very first time so is aimed at far more recent ports.

[ferrellsl]

@ferrellsl

I am not sure if you have been following the recent developments.

I am pleased to confirm that the OpenGL ES 2.0 library is in my Libs drawer right now, latest update with Stencil buffering added this week.  A collection of prominent 3D Amiga developers have been using the library for the last few months with Daniel Muessener producing three releases during the last 6 weeks (latest v1.2).




Quake is a fixed-pipeline old game from the OpenGL 1 era.  The new Warp3D Nova adds Shader support to AmigaOS for the very first time so is aimed at far more recent ports.

My apologies.  I stand corrected.  But I do have a question or two.  Is OpenGLES 2.0 for OS4 a "FULL" implementation of OpenGLES 2.0 or just a subset?  If it's a subset of OpenGLES 2.0, then it's still a bit misleading to say that OS4 now has OpenGLES 2.0 support.  And if it's a subset, where can I find a list of what is currently implemented and what is still a work in progress?

I'm sorry if my comments might sound a bit critical but I've been burned more than once over the years when it comes to OS4 and OS4 hardware support.

[amigakit]

Yes, the new ogles2.library is intended as Warp3D Nova wrapper for all the OpenGL ES 2.0 commands so OpenGL ES 2.0 ports can be more easily ported across.

As you can imagine the Warp3D Nova project is mammoth undertaking, and it has been a year so far in the making.  The pre-release version (1.15) was made available to the public/developers back in May to start the ball rolling with third-party developments.  The idea was to incremently add more advanced features through free updates such as Stencil buffering and Mip Mapping.  Stencil buffering has now been recently added and Mip mapping is almost there (a week or less) so the bulk of the work is now done.

Going forward over the next few months, there are a few last things to do such as enhancing the Shader compiler and refine it further, render-to-texture/bitmap as texture and finally smart register allocation.  The ongoing development process will not prevent third party developers use it for their projects, in fact there are some in process now (I will not steal their thunder by pre-announcing them).  

I'm sorry if my comments might sound a bit critical but I've been burned more than once over the years when it comes to OS4 and OS4 hardware support.

I can understand the scepticism, but that is one reason we wanted to get the pre-release out there and build upon that foundation with regular free updates rather than hide it away for months (years) without being practically used by developers and users. We wanted to show that Shaders on AmigaOS are real and can be used now.

[ferrellsl]

Yes, the new ogles2.library is intended as Warp3D Nova wrapper for all the OpenGL ES 2.0 commands so OpenGL ES 2.0 ports can be more easily ported across.

As you can imagine the Warp3D Nova project is mammoth undertaking, and it has been a year so far in the making.  The pre-release version (1.15) was made available to the public/developers back in May to start the ball rolling with third-party developments.  The idea was to incremently add more advanced features through free updates such as Stencil buffering and Mip Mapping.  Stencil buffering has now been recently added and Mip mapping is almost there (a week or less) so the bulk of the work is now done.

Going forward over the next few months, there are a few last things to do such as enhancing the Shader compiler and refine it further, render-to-texture/bitmap as texture and finally smart register allocation.  The ongoing development process will not prevent third party developers use it for their projects, in fact there are some in process now (I will not steal their thunder by pre-announcing them).  



I can understand the scepticism, but that is one reason we wanted to get the pre-release out there and build upon that foundation with regular free updates rather than hide it away for months (years) without being practically used by developers and users. We wanted to show that Shaders on AmigaOS are real and can be used now.

Thank you very much for the thorough response.  I look forward to seeing some of the upcoming "surprises" tied to Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0.  It will be nice to see graphics on OS4 that aren't stuck in the 1990's.

[SACC-guy]

You forgot to sign your essay. Also there's spelling and grammatical mistakes, D -

@agami
No worries mate!
I think I got my point across!

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[SACC-guy]

Heh, by the time its available ram and graphics cards will have to be sourced either 2nd hand or as NOS, so the whole buying new as an advantage needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
AMD have already moved on from S.I, and ddr3-1333 is somewhat archaic.


Not that this will detract from the user experience. My 5 year old 4ghz quad core AROS box is still great fun, despite being 2nd hand and massively outdated. If the x5000 can reach even %25 of that systems performance then its almost at that bare minimum for modern computing type level.

@fishy_fiz
No worries!

I just order a complete and tested system from AmigaKit!!!

[amigamad]

I think the new hardware is great but for me its way to expensive if they ever get os4 on cheap x86 pc hardware then i will be able to join in the fun.I used to own an eyetech amigaone g3se at 800mhz but sold it as never used it much .

[amigakit]

@ferrellsl

Thank you very much for the thorough response. I look forward to seeing some of the upcoming "surprises" tied to Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0. It will be nice to see graphics on OS4 that aren't stuck in the 1990's.

Well it was faster than expected, Mip Mapping has now been today added to Warp3D Nova v1.28

[kamelito]

I don't think it's top secret I copy a link I've seen in a another forum about OGL ES and Nova.
Kamelito

https://youtu.be/mSvJy5cokgI