Why I want an A-Eon X5000

[eliyahu]

So you've made up our minds for us, eh?
Hey, I don't even care about the OS4.1 part, and I still want one.

heh. i hear ya. my dream is someone coming to amiwest that has a beta build of MOS for the X5K. i really, really want to give it a spin on my system.

BTW. I would, possibly, maybe, kind of, sort of, remotely purchase "Sam440" type of motherboard for about $400. I could do it...

i think there are a bunch of people who feel the same way. i really hope hyperion and A-EON can get the A1222 out to market sooner rather than later; that's the sort of thing will help fill that gap. anyway -- these things aren't for everyone. the awesome thing about amiga is so much choice out there. if the X5000 and AOS4 doesn't float your boat, there's always AOS3 and 68K HW, emulation, AROS, etc....

-- eliyahu

[SACC-guy]

OK. Fine, it is slower (I don't care). It doesn't make much of a difference, since there is nothing to run on it. I got it, looked at it and looks great.

Who cares this X5000 will be 1000x faster then emulation:  "ZERO software x 1000 = ZERO".

There is millions of computers that can run AmigaOS4.1 at this point. Now, how on earth to convince anybody to invest in this OS?

@kreciu
Let me splain it to you...
Sometimes the hardware comes first, then the "killer app"
(in my case, I had a 4000 long before the toaster and flyer was released)
Apple hardware had been made and sold before great apps, for the apple II visicalc and for the mac desktop publishing.

Given these historical truths, can you at least admit....your way of thinking needs... re-thinking?

BTW, it's true for pc's too...lotus and dbase and browsers (hell, microsoft missed the internet)all came later then the hardware!!!

One possibility, sell enough machines... developers might be tempted to take a chance on the hardware?

My list...
A1000 (since Jan86) A2000/A2500, A3000D, A3000T, A4000D, A4000T, A1200, A500
A1-G3, A1-G4, Micro A1,

Mac-G4 MMD, Power Macbook-G4, Mac Mini G4

[Rob]

There is millions of computers that can run AmigaOS4.1 at this point.

Sssshhh.  TMHG will have kittens if he hears that.

[psxphill]

I have to respectively disagree here.  I have used AmigaOS 4.1 on WinUAE running on a brand new top spec AMD laptop and it is substantially slower and more limited than my AmigaOne X5000.  OS4.1 on WinUAE/Amiga Forever does not have any compositing support, limited memory, access to high spec 3D hardware such as RadeonHD, it is not compatible with Warp3D Nova.

Compositing and 3d support is something that could be solved with more work.

Winuae should easily compete with the old phase 5 ppc cards, but it will be a while before it could compete with a dual core 2ghz ppc.

You essentially pay a premium if you want it now.

[kreciu]

@kreciu



I have to respectively disagree here.  I have used AmigaOS 4.1 on WinUAE running on a brand new top spec AMD laptop and it is substantially slower and more limited than my AmigaOne X5000.  OS4.1 on WinUAE/Amiga Forever does not have any compositing support, limited memory, access to high spec 3D hardware such as RadeonHD, it is not compatible with Warp3D Nova.  

This is all true, but support of mentioned technologies will not make OWB more compatible with any website or self write "excel, word etc. type of software), since this has nothing to do with lack of support of UAE emulation of AmigaOS. IT COULD run it IF(when) UAE will support it.

In essence, OS4.1 under emulation only serves as a basic demo of 4.1 and not a true reflection of how it operates natively on high spec hardware such as the X5000.  The problem with using OS4.1 in Amiga Forever/WinUAE is that it certainly does not give users the true experience of running the operating system as it was intended.

I got it, installed it... and after about 1 hour I noticed that I don't need to spend hours to make it look beautiful (it is already there). I tried to go to internet... ups...

As regards software development, the AmigaDeveloper.com Team have been working on new software for the last year and already made the Enhancer Software release with a lot more updates to come.

... and THIS IS way to do it. BTW. I was SOOOOOO happy to go to Amiga Store and PURCHASE Amiga software from them (just to benchmark my emulated Amiga), unfortunately after that... I went back to my 030/50Mhz, simply more fun.

I know, we all run in a circle... or trying to catch our tail or chicken or egg...I say we have hardware, sure it is crippled in many ways but it can run software, if available.

[amigakit]

@psxphill

It maybe fair comment that software technologies have not progressed as fast for a few years on OS4 and therefore emulation has closed the gap.  However, this is now changing with Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0 being available on OS4.  The power of the X5000, X1000 and a RadeonHD R7 or R9 card will really be put to good use with the advent of modern Shader 3D technology on AmigaOS.   It will be a long time before WinUAE gets near that level, if it ever will.

[blakespot]

heh. i hear ya. my dream is someone coming to amiwest that has a beta build of MOS for the X5K. i really, really want to give it a spin on my system.


i think there are a bunch of people who feel the same way. i really hope hyperion and A-EON can get the A1222 out to market sooner rather than later; that's the sort of thing will help fill that gap.

I've never seen it stated -- is the A1222 likely to cost less than a SAM 440? I was assuming not. (And my assumption is that is faster than the 460, but I've never gotten an answer asking in these forums if that is the case.)



bp

[klx300r]

@ SACC-guy

I DON'T WANT AN X5000

because.....

I Love my X1000 :biglaugh::knuddel::pint:

[amoskodare]

One AmigaOne X5000/040 for me please!! :hat:

[Rob]

I've never seen it stated -- is the A1222 likely to cost less than a SAM 440? I was assuming not. (And my assumption is that is faster than the 460, but I've never gotten an answer asking in these forums if that is the case.)

bp

I've never heard a price, only Trevor pointing at a mysterious black box* and saying "that's how you get the price down".

The P1022 uses E500 cores which are capable of 2.4 MIPS/Mhz whereas the 460EX is capable of 2.0 MIPS/Mhz but the P1022 uses a non standard FPU which is likely to involve a speed penalty on software that uses the FPU.  It may lose the edge to the 460 here but I'd prefer to wait and see OS4 running on it before making any conclusions about it.  P1022 is also dual core which will be useful whenever OS4.x gains multicore support.

*the box, a custom ITX case, had a Tabor (A1222) motherboard inside it.

[blakespot]

I've never heard a price, only Trevor pointing at a mysterious black box* and saying "that's how you get the price down".

The P1022 uses E500 cores which are capable of 2.4 MIPS/Mhz whereas the 460EX is capable of 2.0 MIPS/Mhz but the P1022 uses a non standard FPU which is likely to involve a speed penalty on software that uses the FPU.  It may lose the edge to the 460 here but I'd prefer to wait and see OS4 running on it before making any conclusions about it.  P1022 is also dual core which will be useful whenever OS4.x gains multicore support.

*the box, a custom ITX case, had a Tabor (A1222) motherboard inside it.

Thanks. Is there any indication of a timeframe to market on the A1222?


bp

[duga]

Two more weeks.

[SACC-guy]

@ SACC-guy

I DON'T WANT AN X5000

because.....

I Love my X1000 :biglaugh::knuddel::pint:

I missed the Eyetech boat.
I missed the Sam boat, none to buy anywhere.
I really MISSED the X1000...all gone (sad sigh)

I don't know why I keep missing those boats.

But I will NOT miss the X5000!

[klx300r]

One AmigaOne X5000/040 for me please!! :hat:

way to go Marko:hammer::pint: I remember that we bought our Sam flex at 800's the same time back in 2009:)

[klx300r]

I missed the Eyetech boat.
I missed the Sam boat, none to buy anywhere.
I really MISSED the X1000...all gone (sad sigh)

I don't know why I keep missing those boats.

But I will NOT miss the X5000!

better than late than never so I'll give ou an early congrats my fellow amigan

[magnetic]

Good idea if you want x5000 dont wait buy it when it comes out.

I will say I weep with all the man hours spent on writing alien drivers for overpriced exotic hardware with almost no software whatso ever. I have a peg2 but use some classic amiga software on os4. There has been so much development time wasted on porting to new hw imho.