For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version

[roomeo]

@Thomas

Geez man, give it a rest.

Every bit of information of the 040/060 adapter is out in the open, and i dont agree with your claim that Cosmos is hiding information to his buyers. Go attac IComp regarding hiding information instead if this is your life mission.

About Cosmos making a profit of others work. I really dont see this argument either. The 040/060 adapter is opensource and everybody is free to make one. If i want to pay a friend for making it for me i really dont see the fuzz. I paid a dude money for making an IDE cable for me once. Is he stealing/profiting of the original IDE cable designers also? 50 EUR for his adapter is a very reasonable price thinking about the time i would spend making it myself. You would probably disagree, but if the adapter dont work, i would think Cosmos would provide good support, and if it is a fault in the build i think he would fix it without hesitation. So basicly this adapter comes with a guarantee.

Regarding the exec.lib patch. Here i can see your point, but who in their right mind cares? As Pyrre said, i really dont see the differece between a patch file, or a patched binary of the exec either.

And last. Cosmos.. Illuminati? Really?

Cheers!

[pyrre]

That's the problem. *You* probably know that, and you probably know the  limitations. But you cannot assume that the average user does.        

Anyone that has been in the Amiga scene for little more than a while knows there are differences between the 040 and the 060 design.
Well aware of the differences i cant see your point. I cant see why you insist on flaming Cosmos. What has he done you wrong.
There are some more hobbyists in the general computer scenes that builds adapters based on some others design end sell it. Someone even with a profit.

Because here a product is sold, with certain drawbacks that are not  clearly announced to the average user. This is not your "make your 040  board a 060 board adapter", as claimed. If I would just buy this  product, and install it as advertized, I would get just a crash. Plus,  even when installed with a proper processor (i.e. without an FPU), it  will not perform as good as a native 68060/50Mhz design. Instead, its  creator tries to cheat away with some "chip ram bandwidth" numbers that  are complete bogus for the purpose of the evaluation of the board.

Do you call that "good business practise"?

If you sell a product, you'd better call your customers what it does and what it does not.

If you don't understand how or what the "device" is about, you can always ask questions about it.
And in the case you complain about memory drawbacks... Hello.... The board you are attaching a 060 onto was not made for the darn 060.
You hack it onto another design. of course there will be drawbacks.
But i can live with those drawbacks if the hack gains performance...
That is what the whole adapter is all about, if I'm not mistaken.....

Business practice, what is your point. as i see it, cosmos has made no attempt of hiding any information... You came in flaming him long before i even got to ask any followup questions...

I do not care about my 68060.library here, really. That's provided under  the license terms it came with, free of charge, for everyone. Download  it from Aminet, be happy. That's all use within the license, so that'll  be fine. *That* is not my problem.        

Then why is there such a problem with the exec.library?
Cosmos ain't the only one making patches for it. AFAIK...
Regardless of content, a search on aminet posts no less than 6 exec.library patches....
If someone took his time to apply all the patches to the lib and put the patched binary back on aminet. would that be a violation?
What are your complains about, for real....?

@Thomas

Geez man, give it a rest.

Every bit of information of the 040/060 adapter is out in the open, and i dont agree with your claim that Cosmos is hiding information to his buyers. Go attac IComp regarding hiding information instead if this is your life mission.

About Cosmos making a profit of others work. I really dont see this argument either. The 040/060 adapter is opensource and everybody is free to make one. If i want to pay a friend for making it for me i really dont see the fuzz. I paid a dude money for making an IDE cable for me once. Is he stealing/profiting of the original IDE cable designers also? 50 EUR for his adapter is a very reasonable price thinking about the time i would spend making it myself. You would probably disagree, but if the adapter dont work, i would think Cosmos would provide good support, and if it is a fault in the build i think he would fix it without hesitation. So basicly this adapter comes with a guarantee.

Regarding the exec.lib patch. Here i can see your point, but who in their right mind cares? As Pyrre said, i really dont see the differece between a patch file, or a patched binary of the exec either.

And last. Cosmos.. Illuminati? Really?

Cheers!

yea i agree....
I have no doubts about Cosmos service, at all...
but, can we please get back on topic...?
just, please...

[guest11527]

Business practice, what is your point. as i see it, cosmos has made no attempt of hiding any information... You came in flaming him long before i even got to ask any followup questions...

Oh, really. So look at the title of the thread. This is sold as a 68060 adapter. Which it is not. It's a 68LC060 adapter, at best. Nothing in the thread tells the user the problems this causes. Where is the "use with a 68LC060 or you run into trouble" disclaimer? Where is this "memory bandwidth limited by the board" disclaimer?

And what about the memory bandwidth tests? Be serious - if you want a serious product, state serious numbers and not the result of a bogus test.

Then why is there such a problem with the exec.library?
Cosmos ain't the only one making patches for it. AFAIK...

Just because everybody crosses the road at red lights, it must certainly be ok... What kind of an argument is this?

If he sells a product, and it's only 1€ on top for getting the proper license, will that really stop anyone buying it?  Instead, he's just giving lame excuses.

It's just another example that, apparently, for the majority of the "community" software is just some sort of rubbish that isn't worth a penny (or, one Euro, for that matter), yet good enough to sell their own hardware.

If someone took his time to apply all the patches to the lib and put the patched binary back on aminet. would that be a violation?

Yes. It's not your library, is it?

What are your complains about, for real....?

I already stated that. Here for you again:

- Taking somebody else's design and selling it
- Not properly advocating the problems of the design
- Depending on pirated software to work around design limitations
- Providing "bogus measurements" to wiggle around the design problems.

Please be honest with the users and your customers.

[roomeo]

- Taking somebody else's design and selling it
- Not properly advocating the problems of the design
- Depending on pirated software to work around design limitations
- Providing "bogus measurements" to wiggle around the design problems.

I dont see this as pirating software. I own my kickstarts and have paid licence for them when purchasing my amigas. Its my right to do whatever i want with the kickstarts. If i pay a friend to help me patch it i dont see how that is any different. Im paying for Cosmos time and rom chips as i see it. Going to the postoffice for example. I think i paid 14 EUR for two rom chips with the patched software. If he makes a couple of euros, who cares?!

And it is not like the one who holds the licences is loosing any money on this. Are they providing this service? No they arent, and they never will.

And what "design problems".. you mean the a3640 design it self? The a3640 has slooow mem access. Nothing will change that.. unless you add speedgeeks waitstate mod, which could in theory run an 040@50mhz.. Add a 060 on top of that @100mhz. voila you have a better product than the original with NO drawbacks compared to the original design mem wise... and wait wait.. what about speedgeeks waitstate mod. is that also pirating and profiting on the original designers?

Se my other post for answers on your other precious points made..

I think you are completely unreasonable here...

[pyrre]

I'm going to refrain myself from commenting any further on this matter.
It is clearly that Mr. Richter has a personal grudge against Cosmos. And i don't want to be part of another flamewar resulting in yet another active and productive member of an already fragile community leaving. We have lost to many already because of SILLY arguments like these going out of hands.

Have a nice evening my fellow amigans, and have a nice summer.

[quenthal]

Nothing in the thread tells the user the problems this causes.

Considering all the discussion about original post in Amiga Marketplace Forum and in this thread, I assume this claim is at least now false

[WeiXing3D]

"Good work" as in "taking somebody else's results and sell them"? Be serious. If you want to provide credits, address who earns the credits.

So definitely not you, who all you do is to police and undermine the efforts of others trying to keep the dream alive. You act like a pimp safeguarding somebody's else "merchandise."

Let the owners of the respective patents to speak by themselves; you can't pretend knowing what they are thinking or would do.

[psxphill]

This is sold as a 68060 adapter. Which it is not. It's a 68LC060 adapter, at best. Nothing in the thread tells the user the problems this causes. Where is the "use with a 68LC060 or you run into trouble" disclaimer?

On the first post.

"- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1

- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b"

[magnetic]

Its pretty sad when an enterprising amiga user makes a super cool add on board for a3640 that was only dreamed of before. The community is very small we dont need this kind of thing: ppl giving a small developer a hard time.

Thanks for the project cosmos

[Terminills]

"Good work" as in "taking somebody else's results and sell them"? Be serious. If you want to provide credits, address who earns the credits.

Well Thomas since not everyone can solder.  I would assume he was talking about "good work" as in providing a finished product.  As for Cosmos providing credit.  Maybe I'm seeing things but he provided credit etched on the board itself.  As for the rest of this little battle you and Cosmos seem to have I'll stay out of it.

[guest11527]

On the first post.

"- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1

- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b"

In that case, I stand corrected. I saw this post out of sequence, without the context. So sorry about the rant.


Please be still aware that the major trouble is here the bandwidth limitation of most 040 based cards (unless they have been designed for the 060 already). The 3640, for example, has a pretty low memory bandwidth that hurts performance noticably. Thus, a 060 on this board helps less than you would like to.

[midway]

I have an lc060 which was on a csppc (borrowed from a good friend). When I tried to install it it wouldnt work with the standard drivers by phase5 until I found out its not a full 68060. Once exchanged to a full 68060 no problem.

Can you post some cpu speed tests cosmos?

Also, sent you a pm here about caps for my cdtv genlock card, thanks for replying!

[Pgovotsos]

In that case, I stand corrected. I saw this post out of sequence, without the context. So sorry about the rant.

So you just spent a couple of days very rudely ripping into Cosmos over something that you never read?

I'd say that that needs an explicit apology to Cosmos, not just a generic "I stand corrected". You were rude, crude, immature and offensive - over something that you didn't read,  and when your errors were pointed out, you failed to listen to anyone else. You just continued your rant and flaming, extending your vitriol to everyone who was speaking the truth which you failed to recognize because YOU NEVER EVEN READ WHAT YOU WERE RAVING AGAINST.

I didn't participate in this "discussion" because I didn't have a stake in it or have enough technical knowledge to have an opinion. But now I will say, even as a bystander, I was offended by your behavior. You reminded me of a 5 year old running around the playground yelling "liar, liar, pants on fire". Grown-ups don't behave like this - especially since you were the one lying.