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040/060 adapter for Amiga Classic

Brand New, factory soldering

Tested on the A3640, works fine

For A3640, WarpEngine, CyberStorm MK2, GVP 2040cards...


- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1

- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b


For working, you must install the 68060.library v46.7 from Phase5 in Sys:Libs/ or the MMU package from Thor (on Aminet)



50 euros including shipping WW Priority no tracking in friend/gift Paypal mode

or + 6 euros if you want registred/tracking



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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 06:10:48 PM »
Quote from: Cosmos;810654
040/060 adapter for Amiga Classic

Brand New, factory soldering

Tested on the A3640, works fine

For A3640, WarpEngine, CyberStorm MK2, GVP 2040cards...


- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1

- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b


For working, you must install the 68060.library v46.7 from Phase5 in Sys:Libs/ or the MMU package from Thor (on Aminet)



50 euros including shipping WW Priority no tracking in friend/gift Paypal mode

or + 6 euros if you want registred/tracking



:)
What is the purpose of this adapter?
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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 06:24:31 PM »
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What is the purpose of this adapter?


Installing a 68060 on the 040 only card !

Like the 3640, GVP 2040, GVP TRex 3040 & 4040...


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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 06:37:38 PM »
Quote from: Cosmos;810673
Installing a 68060 on the 040 only card !

Like the 3640, GVP 2040, GVP TRex 3040 & 4040...


:)
hmmm.... interesting.
would that work with a fusion forty?
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2016, 04:48:31 AM »
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hmmm.... interesting.
would that work with a fusion forty?

Good question : not yet tested for now, but should works !

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2016, 06:49:38 AM »
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hmmm.... interesting.
would that work with a fusion forty?

A lot of things Cosmos *does not* say. This adapter will not work with a 68060. It will only work with a 68EC060 or a 68LC060, i.e. with the CPU variants that come without an FPU. It is usually not much a loss, though. The problem is that the 68040 boards typically lack a boot ROM that deactivates the 68060 FPU. What he also does not say is that this still limits the memory bandwidth of the CPU to that of the 68040 board. That is, if you have the typical 25Mhz/68040 board, then even though the CPU will run at 50MHz, memory access will be slow and limited to that of a 25Mhz design.  IOWs, a terrible waste for a perfectly fine CPU.
 

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2016, 07:05:20 AM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;810691
This adapter will not work with a 68060. It will only work with a 68EC060 or a 68LC060, i.e. with the CPU variants that come without an FPU

Another troll against me : full 060 with MMU & FPU are working perfectly with the special exec.library v45.20b, it's clearly written in my ad...

She have only a very little init at the beginning for disabling the Fpu... After that, SetPatch load the 68060.library and enable the Fpu

And as always, you are talking about things who don't know and never tried : with a 060, the 3640 for example, is much more faster than with a 040...

You will pay a very high price for trolling me all the time, you will see...


For me, you are a spy in our community : working and paid by Microsoft and/or Apple to destroy the Amiga by the inside...

Let me guess, you are a member of the famous sect who destroy the whole world and the humans ?
==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kK_uyvsVc


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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2016, 08:12:07 AM »
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Another troll against me : full 060 with MMU & FPU are working perfectly with the special exec.library v45.20b, it's clearly written in my ad...
 
For which you have no copyright on, and no rights to distribute it... Exactly.

Quote from: Cosmos;810692
You will pay a very high price for trolling me all the time, you will see...
I can hardly wait.
 

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2016, 11:08:07 AM »
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For which you have no copyright on, and no rights to distribute it... Exactly

I explained many times : Amiga is on a survival situation, things are different, and Bill McEwen who is certainly a member of the famous sect (where he find millions dollars to puchase Amiga Inc . many year ago ??) block us since a very long time. He never replied at my 2 emails... You perfectly know that.


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I can hardly wait.

Will be automatic. I have nothing to do. You friends Bill Gates and Bill McEwen will be unable to protect you...

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2016, 01:10:52 PM »
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I explained many times : Amiga is on a survival situation, things are different, and Bill McEwen who is certainly a member of the famous sect (where he find millions dollars to puchase Amiga Inc . many year ago ??) block us since a very long time. He never replied at my 2 emails... You perfectly know that.
No, I do not know that, but it is irrelevant for the matter - you do not have any legal rights for redistribution or modification, no matter whether you "tried to" or not.

BTW, Cloanto sells Kickstart licences for 1 Euro / piece. Why not contact them? Too much money for a legal product, I assume?

The fact remains that you sell a piece of hardware (without providing proper warranty as a dealer, but as a private person) you haven't designed (i.e. based on the work of others), requiring a software you do not own (also based on the work of others), with parameters the average user is not able to use (i.e. 68060 with the blank kickstart 3.1 -> non-working machine), giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system (which would run at full memory bandwidth, and not at a bandwidth of a 25 or 33Mhz system).
 

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2016, 02:29:32 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;810703
giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system

"Proper" 68060 accelerators are like hen's teeth. Just sayin'...
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2016, 04:24:21 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;810703
No, I do not know that, but it is irrelevant for the matter - you do not have any legal rights for redistribution or modification, no matter whether you "tried to" or not.

The Amiga is in a special configuration today, with a lot of problems, it's completley different than in the 85-95 period... All the "elite" have to cooperate with very low price, sharing code, email answers, help each other : and it's absolutly not the case...

Oh wait, I'm not a member of the famous sect ? I understand now...


Quote from: Thomas Richter;810703
BTW, Cloanto sells Kickstart licences for 1 Euro / piece. Why not contact them? Too much money for a legal product, I assume ?

I started to explain the little hack 1MB Kickstart for the 500/2000 in mars 2010 on my blog. And in 2015, five years after, we have a new one of 512 Ko without the workbench.library and buggy with the floppy ?! Really, it's not serious...

Again, you perfectly know that : you are on forum attacking me with wrong arguments, and my crappy english won't be an excuse...


Quote from: Thomas Richter;810703
The fact remains that you sell a piece of hardware (without providing proper warranty as a dealer, but as a private person) you haven't designed (i.e. based on the work of others)

Again, you are talking without any knowledge and only to troll me : I asked the Mozart email because banned at Apex via MP on a1k.org and no answer... I wanna give him some $$$, but without email it's difficult !


Quote from: Thomas Richter;810703
parameters the average user is not able to use (i.e. 68060 with the blank kickstart 3.1 -> non-working machine)

Customers are free to purchase, I force nobody


Quote from: Thomas Richter;810703
giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system (which would run at full memory bandwidth, and not at a bandwidth of a 25 or 33Mhz system)

The only card who is really well designed for the 060 is the MK3 : all the other are castrated with this CPU. Again, you perfectly know that, and it's only for trolling me...

(Oups, maybe the TekMagik 2060 and the GBA1060 too, but I don't know these cards, never checked them at home)

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2016, 04:37:47 PM »
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giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system

A3660 with 060@60 WITHOUT the 2removedwaitstate mode

chip $00020000 readw 886.9 ns normal 2.3 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readl 888.2 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readm 887.7 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writew 569.3 ns normal 3.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writel 570.4 ns normal 7.0 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writem 570.0 ns normal 7.0 * 10^6 byte/s


CyberStorm MK3 060@72

chip $00020000 readw 896.9 ns normal 2.2 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readl 898.1 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readm 897.6 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writew 569.1 ns normal 3.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writel 569.5 ns normal 7.0 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writem 569.6 ns normal 7.1 * 10^6 byte/s


Ok, the fastram is faster on the MK3, but on the chipmem it's equal...

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM »
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A Ok, the fastram is faster on the MK3, but on the chipmem it's equal...

What a surprise. Guess what: I get the same chip ram performance with a 030@25Mhz as well. The bottleneck is not the CPU, the bottleneck is the bus chip ram.  I doubt that you're operating on solid grounds here. First, you sell a product under claims it does not satisfy. That would be called fraud. It does not run a 68060 on a standard machine (fact!). Second, you provide a workaround in software derived from a product you do not own, neither obtained a license for, even though it is available for little money. That's called a copyright violation. Last, you act as a dealer, by the amount of products (hardware) you sell, yet - do you actually pay any taxes on this income? If not, this would be tax fraud.  Thank you, Cosmos. Please get your business straight. First, don't make false claims about the capabilities of the hardware you sell, and inform users properly here when making any offers. Second, get the licenses if you want to offer software. If you need a contact to Cloanto or Hyperion, ask. Amiga, Inc. is certainly *not* the right party to approach. Third, create a business. Nothing of that is "black magic" or in any way particularly complicated.
 

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Re: For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2016, 06:44:35 PM »
Ain't it time to stop throwing thrash at each other?

I serially thought the Amiga community was just that, a community where people with similar interests could share knowledge and experience with other hobbyists...
This being said. If someone are sitting on copyrights and want royalties for them, ain't it their problem in collecting them?

As a hobbyist myself i think it is just fair to take payment for the work i do. And if i do work in someone else territory, it is their choice to collect on any claims regarding copyrights or not.

As far as the amiga goes. Ain't it time to realize it is quite DEAD in development. Dead in the matter of, there are no big companies developing the main platform any further.
Commodore is bust, Escom is bust and there are no one else to take control of the future direction. And there are no advancements in the cpu systems for the platform.
The only progress made in the last 15 years are made of hobbyist dedicating their spare time to develop expansions to an aging old hardware platform.

It really saddens me reading all this hostility from the members of a community i really enjoyed and loved some years back...

As for this adapter of Cosmos goes. If i understand correctly it will boost the performance of a system made for the 040. Ok it wont be as fast as a full blown 060 system. But who cares, for real who cares? the system was not designed that way in the start.....
If it makes a good system faster, ain't it worth it?

And as far as taxes goes...
If i understand correctly, Cosmos is from France.
And like most European countries you are actually allowed to have a hobby, and you are allowed to make money of it. At least up to a certain point.
In my country, Norway you are allowed to make up to NOK 4000,- on a hobby before you are obliged to pay tax of it. That is the equivalent of 500 EUR or nearly 600 USD. (however, if you are a collector. You can make an unlimited amount of money on a sale without paying tax)
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
Video decoder