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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #89 from previous page: May 27, 2016, 07:43:06 AM »
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So the question now is, is the card worth the new price.

When is someone going to post comments on their test of this device?
Well, I have it, so what's your question? It is approximately equivalent to the Picollo SD64, i.e. it is based on the CirrusGD5434 chip. You can get up to 1280x1024 in 8 bit, or 1024x768 in 32 bits (IIRC). The card has a hardware sprite, a blitter, full P96 compatibility, a built-in VGA switch - video pass-through for Amiga.

It is a little bit more capable than my aging GVP spectrum as it supports a couple of additional higher resolution video modes, (GVP required interlace in 1280x1024 and maxed out at 800x600 in true color) but it is also based on an aged VGA chip. The VGA chip stems from the follow-up generation of the GVP spectrum chip series (which used the Cirrus GD5424 or 5428, I don't remember precisely which) and hence is a bit better.

Was it worth the investment? Yes, I would say so. It's not only a frame-buffer (i.e. what you find in some new FPGA designs) but is fully hardware accelerated. It's certainly a retro design and hence "fits" psychologically into the aged design of the system. (-:
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #90 on: May 27, 2016, 11:19:39 AM »
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Well, I have it, so what's your question? It is approximately equivalent to the Picollo SD64, i.e. it is based on the CirrusGD5434 chip. You can get up to 1280x1024 in 8 bit, or 1024x768 in 32 bits (IIRC). The card has a hardware sprite, a blitter, full P96 compatibility, a built-in VGA switch - video pass-through for Amiga.

It is a little bit more capable than my aging GVP spectrum as it supports a couple of additional higher resolution video modes, (GVP required interlace in 1280x1024 and maxed out at 800x600 in true color) but it is also based on an aged VGA chip. The VGA chip stems from the follow-up generation of the GVP spectrum chip series (which used the Cirrus GD5424 or 5428, I don't remember precisely which) and hence is a bit better.

Was it worth the investment? Yes, I would say so. It's not only a frame-buffer (i.e. what you find in some new FPGA designs) but is fully hardware accelerated. It's certainly a retro design and hence "fits" psychologically into the aged design of the system. (-:


That was an excellent answer.
I was not aware of the fact that the fpga was emulating a gpu that had been used in older rtg cards.
That makes me SO much more comfortable.

Thanks Thomas.
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2016, 11:28:56 AM »
There is no FPGA in that card, it has a real thing.
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #92 on: May 27, 2016, 03:25:22 PM »
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There is no FPGA in that card, it has a real thing.
http://webstore.kryoflux.com/catalog/images/amiga_graka.jpg


Thanks.
That makes it more attractive to me.

Definately worth consideration.
I wish I had ordered one at the original price.
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #93 on: May 27, 2016, 03:47:11 PM »
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So the question now is, is the card worth the new price.

When is someone going to post comments on their test of this device?


Mine still hasn't arrived. I think they scuttled it via Tuna Trawler! :(
I hope 17 days and counting doesn't turn into "2 more weeks"! :eek:



Can't wait to install and post review with pics. :rtfm:
Yea, I bought this one as there is no FPGA (to dink with) and is just the real deal.

Got mine at the original price....  :)
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« Reply #94 on: May 27, 2016, 04:02:55 PM »
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Got mine at the original price....  :)

I got mine much cheaper, I built it myself. :)
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2016, 04:52:59 PM »
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I got mine much cheaper, I built it myself. :)


Do tell.
How about some details?
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2016, 11:32:12 PM »
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Yes you need the GBAPII++.card file that is hosted as an attachment in that german board (put it in LIBS:Picasso96/), and when you install Piccasso96 you must select the PiccoloSD64 as the graphics card. After that you need to change the PiccoloSD64 monitor“s file tooltype to BOARDTYPE=GBAPII++

Finally got time to install the new video card! :)
 Used a VGA cable for Indi out to card in and have native video out.
 I installed Piccasso96 and performed all of the above and cold rebooted.
 Running SCREENMODE gives no new modes.
 Running PICCASSO96MODE gives a dialog box with "Could Not Find Any Modes! :confused:
 That's as far as I have got. Any suggestions?
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2016, 11:37:19 PM »
@Gizmo - if you're not seeing anything new in Screenmode Prefs it's likely something isn't installed correctly. I'm not near a computer right now but this sounds like another chance to plug my "setting screenmodes with Picasso96" YouTube video again. ;)

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2016, 11:50:10 PM »
Hmmm, wellst I better check that out right now! :)
When I was installing Piccasso96, the only thing I thought I may have done wrong was something about "Install Printer Mode" or something like that...
Can Piccasso96 install just be rerun or better to check UserStartup or StartupSequence? I dunno, let me check out this vid first! :lol:
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #100 on: June 27, 2016, 12:46:48 AM »
Nice Vids Mike! So, I reran Picasso install and removed the "PrinterPatch" option. Rebooted and ran Picasso96Mode. Some screen modes show up now (like in your vid) and here are some observations. (Keep in mind I would usually read the guide if this were simply a supported board - I'm using the PiccoloSD64 Monitor file reassigned to the GBAPII++.card file in Libs).
 
 On the Picasso96Mode screen:
 The Settings box shows: Not Attached : Village-31
 The drop down menu shows: Mode PrinterMode and Attach Setting To: No Board.
 
 And even though I can select different mode and deactivate or activate, all the option buttons and settings boxes are grayed out.
 
 Does this have anything to do with something I think I read somewhere about having 128MB of mem using my Blizzard accelerator? :confused:
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #101 on: June 27, 2016, 01:52:02 AM »
Went back thru all my procedure.... had the GBAPII++.card file in Libs:
Should be in LIBS:Picasso96/

Reboot... now the board shows up Picasso prefs and active buttons and setting boxes are live :)

Still can't set a screen mode though.... like Mike said, some modes need to be fiddled with... I understand that. My Dell monitor goes out of range though.

The only mode I can get to display in test mode is 640x480x16 but that's actuall a lower rez than my Indie ECS is currently set to.

Not understanding how the Picasso modes are even displayed at all I guess - back to Mike's video... what were those hot keys again Mike? :)
 
 Oh, and is there anything I need to be setting in the Picasso Variable Setter program? It looks useful.
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #102 on: June 27, 2016, 10:34:52 AM »
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Went back thru all my procedure.... had the GBAPII++.card file in Libs:
Should be in LIBS:Picasso96/

Reboot... now the board shows up Picasso prefs and active buttons and setting boxes are live :)

Still can't set a screen mode though....
You need to create some, with Picasso96ModeNG. Select the card, then check the window: There is one field in the top with a box and an upward pointing arrow. This is a "create new item" field. Click on the field, keep the mouse button held down, drag with the mouse a field into the screen mode area below. This gives you a new resolution. In the gadgets below, enter the size of the resolution.

Then, again, you need to create modes. Again, click and hold onto this "box with upwards pointing arrow", drag an item out of it, drag it to the right-hand side "mode" field. There, select with check box the type of mode you want: 16 colors, 256 colors, Hicolor (16 bit) or truecolor (32 bit). The Cirrus you have does not like 24bit color very much due to the size of its data bus, so truecolor+alpha works better.

Then adkust the pixel clock with the slider below. In the buttons even further down, you can test the mode, or adjust the mode to make it fit to the monitor.

When you are done, click on "Save". The tool will the request that you reboot to have this mode activated. Do so.

Now you'll get the new mode in the workbench screen prefs as well.

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some modes need to be fiddled with... I understand that. My Dell monitor goes out of range though.
Then you haven't done the fiddling to the very end.



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Oh, and is there anything I need to be setting in the Picasso Variable Setter program? It looks useful.

No.
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #103 on: June 27, 2016, 05:03:32 PM »
Hey Thomas, thanks for the insight! I never would have guessed that you drag that button into those fields! Gotta read the guide! Anyhoo, I checked to see if there were any P96 screenmodes in ScreenMode prefs again and there were some! Most freak out the lowly Dell monitor but I have a much better Dell monitor to try next. I was successful in using a 640x480x24 screen mode and WOW - colors galore! :) I know the card is working now! So then fiddled a little with the Piccasso96 prefs per your instructions and understand how this works. No time now to play all day (work sucks) but will get back to it in  few days. Thanks again guys! BTW, is there a current P96 guide in PDF format? After P96 is going well, it's on to installing all the Toaster cards and FINALLY after 6 years of building this A2K might get some video editing accomplished!!!
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #104 on: June 28, 2016, 02:12:01 PM »
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Hey Thomas, thanks for the insight! I never would have guessed that you drag that button into those fields! Gotta read the guide! Anyhoo, I checked to see if there were any P96 screenmodes in ScreenMode prefs again and there were some!

Instead of adding or edititing screenmodes you can use these Picasso96setting File.... extract it to DEVS:

The only thing to do ist to attach your Board.....in p96Mode

it contains any known VESA Standard Resolution and work perfekt with this Board

have fun.... nice card
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