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A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« on: April 18, 2016, 08:00:27 AM »
I'm trying to socketize Paula chip and in the process I've found that C305 cap need to be relocated; given that, I'm thinking on replacing it but I haven't been able to find its specs 100% right.

I've found either:

- 0,22uF
- 10uF

Anyone knows which one is the correct one (I've a rev 1D1 board)?
 

Offline Acill

Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2016, 01:37:42 PM »
Amiga 1200 1D1 Motherboard Capacitor Replacement Parts List
(manufacturer part Numbers shown)

C214 10uF 16v SMD 5mm dia
C306 10uF 16v SMD 5mm dia
C407 10uF 16v SMD 5mm dia
Use: 3x Nichicon UCB1C100MCL1GS Long Life Assurance (7000hr)

C303 22uF 25v SMD 6.3mm dia
C304 22uF 25v SMD 6.3mm dia
C324 22uF 25v SMD 6.3mm dia
C334 22uF 25v SMD 6.3mm dia
C459 22uF 25v SMD 6.3mm dia
Use: 5x Nichicon UUL1E220MCL1GS Long Life Assurance (5000hr)

C821 47uF 16v SMD 6.3mm dia
C822 47uF 16v SMD 6.3mm dia
Use: 2x Nichicon UCB1C470MCL1GS Long Life Assurance (7000hr)

C235 100uF 16v SMD 6.3mm dia
C238 100uF 16v SMD 6.3mm dia
C239 100uF 16v SMD 6.3mm dia
C409 100uF 16v SMD 6.3mm dia
Use: 4x Nichicon UCB1C101MCL1GS Long Life Assurance (7000hr)

C408 1000uF 10v RADIAL 5mm-ls low ESR 10mm dia
C811 1000uF 10v RADIAL 5mm-ls low ESR 10mm dia
Use: 2x Nichicon UHE1A102MPD6 Extremely Low Impedance, High Reliability, For Switching Power Supplies

C237 470uF 16v RADIAL 5mm-ls low ESR 8mm dia
C307 470uF 16v RADIAL 5mm-ls low ESR 8mm dia
Use: 2x Nichicon UHE1C471MPD6 Extremely Low Impedance, High Reliability, For Switching Power Supplies

*Alternative Non Polarised Electrolytic Audio Caps*
C324 22uF 16v non-polarized electrolytic
C334 22uF 16v non-polarized electrolytic
Use: 2x Nichicon UES1C220MEM1TD Bi-Polarized, For General Audio Equipment (Radial)
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Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 02:04:47 PM »
Quote from: Acill;807332
Amiga 1200 1D1 Motherboard Capacitor Replacement Parts List

Which is oddly missing C305.

Edit: But the schematics list this as 0.22uF, audio power (not decoupling).
« Last Edit: April 18, 2016, 02:06:53 PM by TCMSLP »
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Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2016, 04:51:50 PM »
Strange, I don't ever remember this one now that I think about it. I need to look it up and see why.
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Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 06:50:16 PM »
Quote from: TCMSLP;807333
Which is oddly missing C305.

Edit: But the schematics list this as 0.22uF, audio power (not decoupling).

Indeed, it's audio power, not decoupling. Also appears as 0.22uF in all the schematics I've found; but strangely a lot of anonymous sources cited the cap as a 10uF; a bit misleading...

Given that 0.22uF is the only value I don't have as spare right now, it must be the right one :p

Let's see what Acill finds...
« Last Edit: April 18, 2016, 07:06:50 PM by jltursan »
 

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Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2016, 01:38:02 AM »
C305 in the rev 1 A1200 is a 220nF (0.22uF) SMD ceramic.  Don't have one in front of me, but the package size is probably either 1206 or 1210.  Its job is AC decoupling (meaning it's a short circuit for noise) of the +2.5V bias supply required for the op-amp U15.

Out of interest, why are you fitting a socket?  Handy for testing spare parts, else it generally just introduces an element of unreliability.


A helpful tip for the capacitor list mentioned above is that I'd strongly suggest not using radial capacitors in place of SMD ones.  Electrically they'll work fine, but mechanically it's not great as PCB pads can be easily damaged when the capacitor gets knocked.  You can easily get good quality modern SMD electrolytics with equally as good temperature/lifetime ratings, plus the final job is tidy and robust.

And the myth about having to use non-polarised capacitors for AC coupling/DC blocking in audio stages is an incredibly annoying old housewife's tale.  The value of the capacitor is selected so that the AC cycle time constant will never charge/discharge the capacitor.  It remains charged with the DC bias applied to the surrounding stage and the AC signal passing through effectively sees the capacitor as a short circuit or another piece of wire.  If the capacitor was somehow magically charging/discharging in each half cycle, then the AC component wouldn't be passed at all and the circuit wouldn't work.  For further detail, read one of the many websites explaining RC Time Constants.

The reason the capacitors leak is because the liquid electrolyte becomes unstable over time and with temperature.
 

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Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2016, 01:45:54 AM »
Yes, only use for a non or bipolar cap is for speaker crossovers.
 

Offline Acill

Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2016, 05:17:02 AM »
I also found it on a few schematics. Its a .22uf as everyone is mentioning.  Rare to go bad though.
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Re: A1200 audio decoupling capacitor
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2016, 07:38:52 AM »
Yep, probably it's fine; but as I need to move it, I'll replace it by another with a better looking, right now it has a nasty dull color due C306 corrosion :P

0.22uF then. I suppose that any voltage will do. Thanks!

About socketizing Paula, I'm used to always mount a socket when I replace a chip, specially when dealing with PLCC ICs. My PLCC solder skills are far from good.