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Offline AcillTopic starter

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #314 from previous page: June 16, 2017, 05:42:41 PM »
Thanks for the feedback and please keep it coming. Also please refrain from calling anyone out. I'd like to keep this as honest and serious as possible.
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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #315 on: June 16, 2017, 06:54:49 PM »
Absolutely, 11o% fair....almost too fair, in pricing.  People who bitch about repair costs need to investigate what electronic techs charge by the hour for "reflow and rework" labor. That is, if you're able to find someone actually still capable of this lost art, and, willing to do
it.  Paul has done outstanding work for me, and is a
Priceless resource to the US Amiga community.  Shame on the whiners.
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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #316 on: June 16, 2017, 11:19:03 PM »
Your prices are totally fair. I've sent in 2 1200, 2 4000D, CD32 MBs and 2 3640s for recapping and with stellar results. I've got some 2000's, 500s, and a 3000 I want to get capped sometime. Needless to say, if you are in the US and have Amiga hardware and haven't got it recapped, you need to get them serviced. Acill is the man you want to go to. He knows what an Amiga is. He can test it to make sure it works before it leaves his bench.
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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #317 on: June 17, 2017, 01:44:58 AM »
Price should are fair, if. It cheap.
 

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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #318 on: June 17, 2017, 03:02:40 AM »
I haven't sent anything to you yet although I have considered it. It sounds to me like the prices you charge are certainly fair. I have read the Red A500+ thread as I have a kit of my own to start on and it looks great! Nice job :D
 

Offline Pgovotsos

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #319 on: June 17, 2017, 07:47:43 AM »
TL;DR your prices aren't too high, they are too low and you don't need the business from people who think otherwise. This is not your job, this is you providing skilled labor for something you love. Too much of this BS will kill that love and you will go away. We've already lost enough people with the Amiga and technical skills needed. I don't want to lose you too because jerks take advantage of you and steal your love for us and this platform.

OK, now for the long version :)

Honestly, I think that your prices are too low. Really I do. Factoring parts and labor (and headaches from belly aching, ignorant, cheap a$$ owners) I think that you're losing money on every job. If someone isn't willing to pay what a job is truly worth including the benefits of a repairman who does quality work, is knowledgeable about the application (knows how to diagnose, perform work on and test after on an Amiga and not just a radio shop repairman who knows nothing about the application but just replaces caps and hands it back without proper diagnosis and testing to validate the work), and is conscientious they can just do it themselves or find some hack who will do a cheap, but crap, repair job.

You have skills that must be respected and compensated for. Take a recap. If after buying quality components you have $25 left in the budget, you're losing money. An average recap takes what at least an hour if done properly - clean board, diagnose, repair, test and clean at least - your time is worth more than $25 an hour. I don't know a reputable shop charging less than $50 an hour plus a minimum bench fee.

Forget about the quality of your  work for a minute and just look at the economics of sending work to Europe. To send work to Europe from the US is ridiculously exorbitant if you want to ensure that everything gets there and back safely. Shipping is ungodly, properly declaring can result in customs and taxes far exceeding the cost of repair - in BOTH directions. Unless the owner is willing pay through the nose for a fast carrier like FedEx, UPS or DHL, transit time alone is going to be on the order of a month. Add possible delays in customs.

Don't forget to pay for insurance! I've had enough packages that didn't survive the boat trip well. Of course the problem with an insurance claim is that even if you (somehow) receive full insured value refunded, the owner still loses. He may have his money back, but how much is he going to have to spend to buy a replacement Amiga item and then to start the whole process all over again. Perish the thought of it being one of the many expensive or difficult to find items.

Oh, there's also the god awful fees that PayPal charges for currency exchange and foreign fees. Recently the fees for some European countries has increased to as much as 10%!

Of course it doesn't help when people intentionally screw you. For example when you offered to build the monitor switches and people committed to paying you for them then backed out after you had already paid for the parts. That is just unforgivable. Not just trying to get your work for less than cost, but to lie to you. Paying for the parts up front without them paying you back could have been the difference between you being able to put food on the table or not. THAT, in my opinion, is heinous. For me, those people would be on a permanent black list. They would be publicly shamed. Actually they sort of were because they are listed in the thread as committing then welching :)

Yes, this kind of behavior just ticks me off. Milder than I'd like to say it but this is a family friendly place :) Grrrr :angry:

DON'T sell yourself short. You are SKILLED labor, not SLAVE labor. People who want good work recognize this and will pay accordingly. Those who don't, are never going to pay what the work is truly worth and it's not worth your time and sanity to chase that kind of customer or to try and placate them with discounts that lose you money.

This is a seller's market, not a buyer's market. How many repair shops in the US can replace capacitors? Lots. How many can do that with the knowledge and tools applicable to Amigas? I believe that I can count them on less than one hand.

Charge the real cost of parts including shipping and handling (yours! - you have to spend a lot of time researching and sourcing proper parts) and a reasonable markup (don't expect me to quantify that - I have no idea what constitutes "reasonable" although I can identify grossly unreasonable). Charge a fair price for your labor. $25 an hour is NOT reasonable, it is too low. In my opinion much too low.

If someone isn't willing to pay you that fair price, they aren't work that you need. There's no reason for you to knock yourself out for an ungrateful skin flint.There are plenty of people wanting good work, recognize the value of good work and will gladly pay you that fair price.

If all this garbage and all these jerks drive you to leave in disgust, I can understand it. There's some awfully ungrateful Amiga owners out there.

I HOPE that this doesn't drive you away but you MUST do what is right and necessary for you. You have, and hopefully will be able to continue to, provided much for this community and if you are not able to continue, that is the way it must be. Plus you would get the satisfaction of seeing those jerks pay through the nose for something that they could have gotten done better and for less if they had properly appreciated you in the first place. Either way, I personally will respect your decision and thank you for what you have done for the community.
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Offline QuikSanz

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #320 on: June 17, 2017, 08:00:26 AM »
@Acill,

Pgovotsos is correct. Maybe see if you can get the parts in bulk for less and for gods sake you are worth more than $25/Hr.
Keep up the good work!
 

Offline hese7

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #321 on: June 17, 2017, 09:26:31 AM »
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I know personally that the quality of their work is NOT on par with yours. I've gotten some things that look like a first year apprentice would do better work. Without a very good reason and proof of skill (like Stan and PPCs)  I doubt that I will be sending any work to Europe.


Apparently you haven't seen my work then?
 

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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #322 on: June 17, 2017, 10:04:34 AM »
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Apparently you haven't seen my work then?

I beg your pardon. It wasn't my intention to imply that all other repairmen are incompetent. Of course that is not true.

My only excuse, and it's a poor one, is that it was nearly 3 am and I was focusing more on not personally calling anybody out by name that I neglected to properly qualify my statement that I wasn't describing everyone or even most. With those two exceptions, the people have done quite good work.

I have completely removed that whole thing as it was certainly wrong to over generalize like that and simply unnecessary. I apologize for sounding so judgmental and expressing it so very badly. I'll try to be more careful when I sound off and hopefully some day I will stop trying to be intelligent late at night. I'm putting my foot in my mouth way too often when I post late these days. Since it's 5 am as I write this, I hope I didn't just dig myself deeper into trouble.
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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #323 on: June 17, 2017, 01:35:37 PM »
Quote from: Pgovotsos;827256


Of course it doesn't help when people intentionally screw you. For example when you offered to build the monitor switches and people committed to paying you for them then backed out after you had already paid for the parts. That is just unforgivable. Not just trying to get your work for less than cost, but to lie to you. Paying for the parts up front without them paying you back could have been the difference between you being able to put food on the table or not. THAT, in my opinion, is heinous. For me, those people would be on a permanent black list. They would be publicly shamed. Actually they sort of were because they are listed in the thread as committing then welching :)


Yea I think I was the only one still wanting at the end.
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Offline AcillTopic starter

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #324 on: June 17, 2017, 03:58:31 PM »
Got this A2000 in to replace a badly mangled floppy header. While on the bench I also noticed the missing clock battery, and a bad 68k socket. Replaced them all and fired it up, so far so good, but mouse is all crazy and won't move up or just moves all over crazy. Power off and discovered U282 was previously worked on, and badly done. I cleaned it up some and removed some shorts. It's got a ton of rework under it or I would have just replaced it and done it properly. Happy to say she is alive and well now at least.

Another example of what I charge. This one was done for someone that couldnt find anyone to do it for a long time. He found me on Facebook and I said I would do it for whatever he could afford. When I got it and found all the other issues I still said that. In the end I told him $90 which included shipping back, he sent me $100.

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« Last Edit: June 17, 2017, 04:20:17 PM by Acill »
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Offline AcillTopic starter

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #325 on: June 17, 2017, 04:16:59 PM »
@Pgovotsos
Wow, thank you, I am truly flattered! I would love to be able to charge more per hour, but when I first started to offer this publicly (I did in private and on a case by case basis for "friends" in the past) I would contently get undercut by a certain seller on ebay. Anyone that looks for recap work knows who I am talking about.  I also run into the issue of "this place sells caps kits for $10, why are yours $40+!!?!?!" and well the answer is easy. Commodore used those $10 caps too and you are here asking me to fix what they did as a result right?

I honestly love this work, I have put 100% of everything paid to date into getting more gear to do more work, why?? This is MY hobby. I think to a point I would rather get paid less for a job done right then sent someone to another that will do it cheaply. The A2000 post I just posted is a prime example of that. The owner couldnt afford to get it done. It sat dead for a long time and I told him to pay me what he felt it was worth. I did it shipped back to him for $100.

And so my dilemma is my passion for all of this.......

@Hese7
You my friend are an inspiration, as well as John Hertell in Sweden. I couldnt do this stuff without you guys!!!!
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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #326 on: June 18, 2017, 01:24:36 AM »
Somewhere circa 2002 -2003 I sent my A4000 to Software Hut to get my Chip memory socket replaced insured shipping from Florida to PA and back plus the socket replacement was about $80. The work was great. Now fast forward 14-15 years and what Paul charges is peanuts (BAM as I shoot myself in the foot since I need some work done). You want your AMIGAe to work or not. Don't beat up the folks that can and will do the work, and do it out of love. Similar work done by AmigaKit is $$$$. Priority shipping insured signature to UK and back will run around $130 with mail even more FEDx or UPS, plus their repair rates. Not bad mouthing them just fact.
 

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Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #327 on: June 19, 2017, 02:16:23 PM »
Quote from: gwalp;827286
Somewhere circa 2002 -2003 I sent my A4000 to Software Hut to get my Chip memory socket replaced insured shipping from Florida to PA and back plus the socket replacement was about $80. The work was great. Now fast forward 14-15 years and what Paul charges is peanuts (BAM as I shoot myself in the foot since I need some work done). You want your AMIGAe to work or not. Don't beat up the folks that can and will do the work, and do it out of love. Similar work done by AmigaKit is $$$$. Priority shipping insured signature to UK and back will run around $130 with mail even more FEDx or UPS, plus their repair rates. Not bad mouthing them just fact.


Yup, simm sockets suck if you dont have the tools to do it quickly. $25 each is only because I can use a vacuum desolderation station and got lucky finding a lot of NOS sockets.
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Offline AcillTopic starter

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #328 on: July 13, 2017, 02:37:34 PM »
Repairs are still being accepted for those that are okay with a long wait. Recaps and upgrades are much quicker and can be sent in at any time.

Just give me some advance warning before sending anything, I travel for work a lot as many of you know.
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Offline AcillTopic starter

Re: Acill's Amiga Repair Thread
« Reply #329 on: July 14, 2017, 04:48:15 AM »
Working on repairing some pretty extensive battery damage on this A4000.

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