ACA500 with 2 MB fastRAM + Kipper2k 4 MB fastRAM expansion work simultaneously?

[Blizzard 128 MB]

I have a Kipper2k 4 MB fastRAM expansion:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1950
My machine a A500+ with 2 MB chipRAM, KS 3.1, and a old side expansion IDE controller without RAM.
The machine too slow, 7 MHz 68000.

I need a ACA500. https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/aca500.html
"Several expansion ports make further expansion possible, while   maintaining compatibility to popular memory expansions that are   installed inside of the A500: Chipram expansion(s) and internal   fastmem/ranger-mem expansions can still be used together with the   ACA500."

The 2 MB fastRAM too little to Whdload. Min. 4 MB OK with 2 MB chipRAM.
The kipper 4 MB RAM $200000-5FFFFF.
ACA500 2 MB RAM address? $200000-3FFFFF?
ACA500 with 2 MB fastRAM + Kipper2k 4 MB fastRAM expansion + 2 MB chipRAM work simultaneously?
Is the ACA, or Kipper RAM address changeable, or not?
ACA500plus and Vampire A500 version not available.

[Motormouth]

I don't have a kipper2k, Though I would not mind one.
A conventional 8meg Fast ram address space is from 20000 to 9FFFFF.  If the Kipper2k 4megs of ram uses the conventional address space there should be no memory addressing problems.  Especially since it should be autoconfig space.  It is not like you have a bridgeboard or a zorro II graphics card that is taking up autoconfig memory space.  As long as you stay under 8megs total you should be ok.
The bigger concern for the ACA500 is that it does not like 68000 socket accelerators.  It can be damaged by them.  I don't know if the kipper2k would have the same issue or not?  I don't expect  the kipper2k to effect bus timing etc., but I would check with Jens or Amigakit or someone here at Amiga.org to find out for sure.  We don't want you to damage your Amiga.

As for the ACA500, its fastram is mapped to C00000 or what is referred to "slow ram".  This was done for game compatibility. some old games expect ram at the C00000 address.  
But don't fret.  The ACA500's ram even though mapped to "slow ram" is is very fast, Faster than typical 100-120ns fast ram.  

I don't know if the ACA500's "slow" fast ram would allow you to get above the 8meg auto configuration space or not.  ie 8megs of fast ram some "slow" fast ram.   Some of the trapdoor memory expansions "do" allow for this (like the Adram 540, but the some of this ram is not autoconfigurable and needs a patch program to be run to make this happen).  But eitherway the configuration you are speaking of is below the 8meg limit anyway.

If you put an ACA500 on an A500+ that only has one meg of chip ram the ACA500 can be configured to make the one meg of its ram become mapped as "chip ram" for of a total of 2 megs of chip ram plus one meg of "slow" fast ram.  This is also true for a 1meg Agnus with only 512k of chip ram.  512k of the ACA500 ram can be mapped at chip ram.  The ACA500 would be left with 1.5 megs of "slow" fast ram.

If you can get a hold of an ACA500 (I think they are out of production), I would highly recommend it.   I have one on my A500+ with one of Jens's A1233,  The combination is significantly faster than a stock A3000.

Either way I agree with you I cannot wait for the ACA500plus or the Vampire 500.  I expect both to be awesome.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

Thanks.

17 May 2014 16:38 http://eab.abime.net/printthread.php?t=71495&pp=20&page=22
ACA500 work with other CPU socket 2 MB SRAM expansion with A500+ 2 MB chipram, 6 MB RAM OK:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/P1070222-1024_zpsb949912f.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/P1070219-1024_zpsa570fc03.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/IMAG1116_zpsa3dd0b29.jpg
ACA500 RAM C00000-D7FFFF 1,5 MB and 980000-9FFDFF 0,5 MB? 2 MB SRAM 200000-3FFFF7? 2 MB chipRAM (000000-1FFFFF) OK with ACA.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/IMAG1118_zps5c83838d.jpg

What is the ACA500plus specifications (130 €)? 4 MB RAM? Faster CPU, 25 MHz?
http://www.vesalia.de/e_aca500plus.htm
The ACA500 bad way (A1200 expansion connector).

The Vampire II 128 MB RAM too big, no A500 version.

I did not find ONE card which can be used normally. 2 MB fastRAM too little.
This would be the good system all in 1, side expansion card format, A500:
Fast  68000-68020 (25-50 MHz) CPU, min. 4-8 MB fastRAM, work with A500+ 2 MB chipRAM, sum  6-10 MB RAM possible, fast (min. 4-10 MB/s read with 25-50 MHz CPU, ACA 2 MB/s only) IDE controller with CF card, KS 1.3+3.1, max. 150 €.

[Motormouth]

The bigger concern for the ACA500 is that it does not like 68000 socket accelerators.  It can be damaged by them.  I don't know if the kipper2k would have the same issue or not?  I don't expect  the kipper2k to effect bus timing etc., but I would check with Jens or Amigakit or someone here at Amiga.org to find out for sure.  We don't want you to damage your Amiga.

before you get the kipper2k with 4 megs of ram and the ACA500 make sure that the kipper2k will not damage the ACA500.  

Thanks.

17 May 2014 16:38 http://eab.abime.net/printthread.php?t=71495&pp=20&page=22
ACA500 work with other CPU socket 2 MB SRAM expansion with A500+ 2 MB chipram, 6 MB RAM OK:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/P1070222-1024_zpsb949912f.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/P1070219-1024_zpsa570fc03.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/IMAG1116_zpsa3dd0b29.jpg
ACA500 RAM C00000-D7FFFF 1,5 MB and 980000-9FFDFF 0,5 MB? 2 MB SRAM 200000-3FFFF7? 2 MB chipRAM (000000-1FFFFF) OK with ACA.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/fitzsteve/Amiga/IMAG1118_zps5c83838d.jpg

What is the ACA500plus specifications (130 €)? 4 MB RAM? Faster CPU, 25 MHz?
http://www.vesalia.de/e_aca500plus.htm
The ACA500 bad way (A1200 expansion connector).

The Vampire II 128 MB RAM too big, no A500 version.

I did not find ONE card which can be used normally. 2 MB fastRAM too little.
This would be the good system all in 1, side expansion card format, A500:
Fast  68000-68020 (25-50 MHz) CPU, min. 4-8 MB fastRAM, work with A500+ 2 MB chipRAM, sum  6-10 MB RAM possible, fast (min. 4-10 MB/s read with 25-50 MHz CPU, ACA 2 MB/s only) IDE controller with CF card, KS 1.3+3.1, max. 150 €.

"slow ram" can actually be mapped from C00000 to DBFFFF which is about 1.8 meg of ram.  The realtime clock is at DC0000 and chip registers at DFF000.

As for 8megs of ram in the 24-bit address space, it only has 16 bit wide transfers.    If you have a 32 bit processor with an full 68020 or above (not a 68EC020) you are going to want 32 bit memory.  You don't want to cripple your 32 bit process with just 16 bit ram.  As the transfers should be much faster and double the width.  the theoretical memory address space is 4 Gigs.  Though in reality zorro III can handle about 1 gig, if my memory is correct,  and 128 megs of ram in an A3000-A4000 fast slot,(note: this should be double checked).  32 megs of 32bit ram should be plenty under OS 3.9, unless you are doing something memory intensive.

[Lurch]

Doesn't work that well, although I had an 8MB kipper2k expansion. Not worth the hassle.

Look for an accelerator

[Blizzard 128 MB]

A500+ max. 2 MB slow RAM = chipRAM possible. The Agnus 2 MB only.
ACA500 C00000 1,8 MB slow RAM how?

Kipper 4 MB RAM speed? ACA500 2 MB RAM speed?

This right? The kipper card seller said it:
"The aca500 don't work with kipper2k fastram. The aca500 use external cpu and set off the internal cpu, the internal expansion from kipper2k is connected on to internal cpu."

Is the most important problem not the 2+4 MB fastRAM addresses?
If ACA500 = 4 MB fastRAM, then not problem. I would have bought a ACA500 already (no kipper card). 2 MB fastRAM + 2 MB chipRAM too little to WHDload. I tested.

What is the ACA500plus specifications (130 euro)? 4 MB RAM? Faster CPU, 25 MHz?
http://www.vesalia.de/e_aca500plus.htm

[psxphill]

This right? The kipper card seller said it:
"The aca500 don't work with kipper2k fastram. The aca500 use external cpu and set off the internal cpu, the internal expansion from kipper2k is connected on to internal cpu."

It might not work but that sounds like a guess why it doesn't work.

I don't see why kipper2k would have made the ram not respond just because the internal cpu is halted, it should be irrelevant that the disabled cpu is on the memory card. If an external dma harddisk can dma to the fast memory on kipper2k's board then an external accelerator ought to be able to use it.

In any case an aca-1221 is a better and cheaper way to upgrade the aca-500.

[psxphill]

This right? The kipper card seller said it:
"The aca500 don't work with kipper2k fastram. The aca500 use external cpu and set off the internal cpu, the internal expansion from kipper2k is connected on to internal cpu."

It might not work but that sounds like a guess why it doesn't work.

I don't see why kipper2k would have made the ram not respond just because the internal cpu is halted, it should be irrelevant that the disabled cpu is on the memory card. If an external dma harddisk can dma to the fast memory on kipper2k's board then an external accelerator ought to be able to use it.

In any case an aca-1221 is a better way to upgrade the aca-500, then sell your existing internal board.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

He has a ACA500 card, he tested with Kipper 4 MB RAM, do not work.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

I do not want to spend much money to the A500+. The ACA500 and ACA500plus card is not cheap.
I do not buy a ACA 1221, etc, or old Blizzard 1230, 1240, 1260 A1200 turbocard, all too expensive.
I buy a A1200 machine, if I want to spend much money.

The cheapest ACA1221 80 €, but 68020 16 MHz and 9 MB only.
https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/aca1221.html
Upgrades: 17 to 28 MHz 15 €, maprom 1 MB 5 €, 9 to 63 MB 22 €. Or around the world (maprom, 28 MHz, 63 MB) 40 €.
https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/aca1221-upgrades.html
ACA500plus 130 €. The best ACA1221 120 €. 120+130=250 € + shipping to A500+? Unreal, 28 MHz 68020 + 63 MB only.

ACA1233/55 68030 55 MHz + 68882 + 128 MB = 360 €.
https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/ACA12xx.html
ACA1232/50 300 €, out of stock. ACA1233/40 200 €, out of stock.

Does the Whdload system support the ACA, Blizzard cards and the 68020-68060 CPUs with A500+?
They did not write the Amiga programs onto environment like this.

The  whdload system not work with 4 MB kipper card + A500+ 2 MB chipRAM.  15/17 program not work, error messages. Normal WB 3.1 system.
Examples:
Galaga level 17 system crash.
State of the art demo exception illegal instruction. With 2 MB chipRAM only, no problem.
Golden axe Exception "line 1111 emulator" $E02C at $81F50 occured.
Galactic empire start OK, guru 00000001.
Galaxy blast address error $F00C.
Ganymed address error.
Garrison 1-2, system crash.
Gauntlet 2, function resload diskload called with unacceptable arguments.....
Gazza 2, floppy crazy, manual reset, guru 00000003.
Etc.

What is the problem?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

What is the problem?

Operator error?  :lol:

Try downloading the latest version of WHDLoad, or check where you got your slave from.  You may need to try a different slave or install, or set tooltypes to your specific system.  Most WHDLoad games should work fine with a minimum of 4MB fast / 2MB chip.  Of course they will work better with an '030/AGA/more memory.  I know for a fact Gauntlet 2 works, I play it all the time.  

[Blizzard 128 MB]

I don't know how it is necessary to set the whdload.prefs, and the programs tooltypes, let the programs work well.
I never used the Whdload system. I am a beginner user.
I download this: http://whdload.de/whdload/WHDLoad_18.2_dev.lzx
I copy the C and S folders to my WB 3.1 folders, and ready.
I believed that will work simply with 2+4 MB everything.
This little?
Startup sequence? Other?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I don't know how it is necessary to set the whdload.prefs, and the programs tooltypes, let the programs work well.
I never used the Whdload system. I am a beginner user.
I download this: http://whdload.de/whdload/WHDLoad_18.2_dev.lzx
I copy the C and S folders to my WB 3.1 folders, and ready.
I believed that will work simply with 2+4 MB everything.
This little?
Startup sequence? Other?

That's the wrong version.  You need WHDLoad_usr_small.lha (from my link in previous post).  Use the installer to put the necessary files into C:, you may also need some Kickstart images depending on the version of ROM you have (i.e., if you're running a 2.04 ROM, you may need a Kick image for 1.3 ROM for games that require it).  There's also many tooltypes - some are set by a "master file" in S:, others are set individually per game in the icon properties.  Some common ones are to switch between PAL & NTSC, PRELOAD, NOAUTOVEC, NOMMU, etc.  But they vary by system.

Usually some fiddling is required to find the right settings for specific games, especially if you have a modded or accelerated system.  Once you get the hang of it it's pretty easy, and you'll learn what settings work best for your system, then you can set these in the master file.  You should probably spend some quality time with the instruction manual.  

[Blizzard 128 MB]

WHDLoad_usr_small.lha source on whdload.de?
kick34005.a500 and kick34005.A500.RTB files OK.
I use KS 3.1.
I do not want to fill much time with the settings.
I want to use the programs, not settings, settings....
I download lha file, prefs = my 18.2 prefs, but without ;

;ButtonWait            ;wait for button pressed (slave must support this)
;ChipNoCache            ;disable cachebility of Chip-Memory
;ConfigDelay=400        ;wait to select options in splash window (1/50 seconds)
;CoreDumpPath=T:        ;path for coredump files
;DebugKey=$5b            ;rawkey code to quit with coredump (debug)
;ExecuteStartup=Execute S:WHDLoad-Startup    ;command to execute on WHDLoad startup
;ExecuteCleanup=Execute S:WHDLoad-Cleanup    ;command to execute on WHDLoad exit
;Expert                ;selects expert mode
;FreezeKey=$5d            ;rawkey code to enter HrtMon/TK
;FullChip            ;save/restore complete chip memory
;LogBuffer=$40000        ;buffer size for logging facility
;MMU                ;use MMU (for 68030)
;NoAutoVec            ;ignore unwanted autovector interrupts
;NoFilter            ;disable audio filter
;NoFlushMem            ;do not flush memory
;NoMemReverse            ;do not allocate memory reverse
;NoNetwork            ;do not connect to the internet
;NoWriteCache            ;disable the disk write cache
;NTSC                ;force NTSC viedo mode
;PAL                ;force PAL viedo mode
;Proxy=proxyhost:3128        ;use this HTTP-proxy, [user:password@]hostname[:port]
;QuitKey=$5a            ;rawkey code to quit
;ReadDelay=150            ;wait after reading from disk (1/50 seconds)
;RestartKey=$5c            ;rawkey code to restart
;SavePath=SYS:WHDSaves        ;base directory for all saves
;ShowRegs=SYS:Utilities/MuchMore W WL=80 WT=80 WW=582 WH=700    ;command for Show Regs
;SplashDelay=200        ;time to display splash window (1/50 seconds)
;WriteDelay=150            ;wait after saving something to disk (1/50 seconds)

[paul1981]

Some slaves require a 68020 or above CPU, even though they were standard A500 games (slave issue, not any fault of WHDLoad).