[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[kolla]

http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1867

New info.... for the guys stuck in 2016 like kolla

"new info" is a constant with this project, very often contradictory and misleading info.

Well, at least one can now point at something when minions are screaming that there is no software emulation taking place. Also I like that it says "host memory", one can then speculate what is meant with "host".

[guibrush]

In September the 2.7 gold was based on FEMU, much forum bitching later and now 2.7 gold is not based on FEMU.

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=8608

Now I can't conclusively prove that the bitching had any effect, but the people claiming that FEMU was superior to emulating the 6888x natively must feel really silly now.

You really don't understand or don't want understand the fact that the FPU was in a work in progress state at this time.
Let's summing up this once again :
the FPU was always a part of the roadmap of the 68080, as the AGA integration too. At some point, the team decided to begin the work on the AGA integration. In fact, this work is allready advanced. Why the AGA and not the FPU ? Because the team always said that we need some help to write some test cases to begin the work of the integration of the FPU. Yes, the integration and not the creation, because the base of the FPU was already there since a long time. Because we didn't had the resources to make those testcases at this time, we decided to go the AGA integration road. This this as simple as that.
Then, Jari came up with the will and the competence to make FEMU. FEMU was not only a big amount of work letting all Amiga without a FPU running software demanding it, it was the needed basis for testing the hardware FPU integration too. Thanks FEMU, the team could isolate all instruction one after one to test it and to validate it into the hardware implementation. This was a big amount of work, and I can tell you that many hours/week-end was spend on this testing. Like TuKo said in the february update, more than 2400 core was compiled for this testing process.

So, no, this is not the constant bitching on the forums that brought the hardware FPU to the 68080, but the hard work first from Jari then from the whole team to make it real.

[OlafS3]

Another reason why AGA was judged as higher priority... the standalone devices need it

[OlafS3]

@psxphill

you (and obviously kolla) do not understand what the project is about... it is not about a 100% compatible FPGA based excelerator but a kind of NG 68k hardware and it is a moving target so priorities can change over time. SAGA f.e. has higher priority than FPU (or a compatible MMU) have because you need it for all devices, expecially for the standalone versions. Kolla bought it because he expected it more or less as a affordable accelerator with more ram and now realizing that this is not the goal he uses most of his time to badmouth the people behind. Also there are others who requested that vampire would integrate in existing hardware but that is also not the goal because vampire (or future standalone devices) more or less replace existing extensions. People who want that should better not buy vampires but buy existing accelerators. The same is true for people like kolla who are mainly interested in something 100% compatible. That is all nothing new but was explained several times already.

[Lord Aga]

In September the 2.7 gold was based on FEMU, much forum bitching later and now 2.7 gold is not based on FEMU.

Yes, this is exactly how Apollo team works. The more you bitch and belittle their work the more they rush to cater to your wishes. It's not like they have their own roadmap and agenda.

One could argue that you are actually the hero everyone should thank for all these wonderful Vampire cards we have now. And you will make them even better gosh darnit!

[grond]

Yes, this is exactly how Apollo team works. The more you bitch and belittle their work the more they rush to cater to your wishes. It's not like they have their own roadmap and agenda.

Did you know that you can induce superstitious behaviour in chicken?

  https://www.jstor.org/stable/40032017?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents  

“In one of my college psychology courses we did an experiment that shows how superstitious behavior can be induced in chickens. The routine is to feed the chicken at random intervals. Unaware of what is triggering the appearance of bits of food, the chicken naturally assumes that its behavior is meaningful, so it tends to repeat whatever it was doing in the moment before food appeared. Before long the bamboozied bird is repeating whole series of behaviors in an attempt to do whatever it is that needs to be done to get more eats.”

 Replace "Food" with "core release" or "feature" and "behavior" with "forum rants" and it becomes clear that the Apollo project itself is responsible for all those rants from superstitious chickens...

[kolla]

So, I figure it is time to go back to what started all this hoopla the last few days....

No SAGA will be on both, AGA features will be on Gold 3.

It's a real FPU solution, no software emulation. Stop spreading %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! you don't know.

So who was spreading whatever you don't know?

[kolla]

@psxphill

Kolla bought it because he expected it more or less as a affordable accelerator with more ram and now realizing that this is not the goal he uses most of his time to badmouth the people behind.

Not true.
* It was never a question of "affordable" for me.
* I already had/have classic systems with more RAM (a lot more)
* I had questions about software compatibility which were consequently refused to be properly answered (or as you say, "bad mouthing")
* I was told "you don't even have a vampire, so what do you know - STFU!"
* I was told that once I had a card and could witness with my own eyes, all my doubts and concerns would vanish. They didn't, rather they confirmed them.
* and maybe most important - when I ordered them, I was at a beer festival.

I had hopes for something that would make the A600 worth while as an animation, audio and music "retro workstation", using old and new Amiga software for music, audio, graphics and animation. This includes using various audio transformation tools, of which quite a lot require, or greatly benefit from FPU. Likewise for graphics.

What really made my "go on a mission" so to speak, was the words and attitudes central people in team used about other hardware manufacturers, and about certain well known developers. The "idiots" and the "enemies".

[TuKo]

Sorry to disturb this VERY interesting and HIGHLY informative discussion about kolla but...

GOLD2.7 PreRelease JIC :
http://www.apollo-core.com/releases/V500_GOLD2.7pre-4906.jic
(V500 V2(+) only yet)

[ferrellsl]

What really made my "go on a mission" so to speak, was the words and attitudes central people in team used about other hardware manufacturers, and about certain well known developers. The "idiots" and the "enemies".

Wow, you're a classic case of obsessive compulsive disorder compounded by paranoia.  Seek some professional help for everyone's sake, including your own.

[TrashyMG]

So, I figure it is time to go back to what started all this hoopla the last few days....



So who was spreading whatever you don't know?

We both are, you more so. For me it's ignorance, for you it's a mis-information and smear campaign.

[pcotter]

you guys will need this to flash that JIC

http://dl.altera.com/13.0sp1/
Have fun

[Djole]

you guys will need this to flash that JIC

http://dl.altera.com/13.0sp1/
Have fun

and USB-blaster

[TuKo]

also before kolla jumps on it : and a Vampire.

[soviet]

Cool!, 2.7 prerelease and i don't own an Altera programmer, ordered one on ebay now only 4 usd .

[kolla]

First of all there is nothing in vampire remotely emulating anything.

Maybe time to rephrase?