[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[kolla]

Pretty sure I saw Metal Slug that uses FPU.

And you can quote me on not caring one bit about emulators that run so much better on other, cheaper and more available hardware.

[Kremlar]

Eeegh... no, its AMMX... the thing no1 would ever use... do you remember or should you be quoted ?

Lol!  :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[TrashyMG]

Pretty sure I saw Metal Slug that uses FPU.

And you can quote me on not caring one bit about emulators that run so much better on other, cheaper and more available hardware.

That was mini-slug an open source Metal Slug clone.

I think you care otherwise you wouldn't go on offensive anytime there is a mention of things going on with the Vampire/Apollo team.

[Djole]

Pretty sure I saw Metal Slug that uses FPU.

And you can quote me on not caring one bit about emulators that run so much better on other, cheaper and more available hardware.

Yeah Metal slug port does use FPU... the one that was never going to see day light according to you... remember ? You are too funny to be true...

[nicholas]

I've not been keeping up so apologise in advance.

Does the Apollo core have a standard FPU now or does FEMU still have to be used?

[TrashyMG]

I've not been keeping up so apologise in advance.

Does the Apollo core have a standard FPU now or does FEMU still have to be used?

This statement is for the current Vampire V2s out in circulation, Gold 2.7 will release will come with a full FPU solution, FEMU isn't needed. when Gold 3 is released it will have AGA and other features, so a full FPU solution can't fit at the same time, FEMU can be utilized here. Lucky it's an FPGA and you can easily switch just by reprograming it and reboot with a single mouse click in WB or Amigashell if you prefer.

For the upcoming V4s the FPGA is much larger and can utilize both the AGA, Pamela audio and the full FPU at the same time.

[kolla]

Yeah Metal slug port does use FPU... the one that was never going to see day light according to you... remember ? You are too funny to be true...

Please go ahead and quote me - I was quoting Gunnar, who said it was never going to see the light of day. When I bought Vampire cards (one year ago in a few weeks), the FPU was "just around the corner", and so it looks like it still is.
And not only that, he also said no-one really needs FPU, and anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot.

[kolla]

This statement is for the current Vampire V2s out in circulation, Gold 2.7 will release will come with a full FPU solution, FEMU isn't needed. when Gold 3 is released it will have AGA and other features, so a full FPU solution can't fit at the same time, FEMU can be utilized here. Lucky it's an FPGA and you can easily switch just by reprograming it and reboot with a single mouse click in WB or Amigashell if you prefer.

Oh nice, new important information - so one will have to chose between SAGA (Gold Core 3) or FPU (Gold Core 2.7). And of course the "full FPU solution" involves trapping of 68882 FPU instructions and feeding them to a software emulator, akin to those pesky 68040/68060 libraries who were so evil a few months ago.

Or is SAGA now out, and just "ordinary AGA" is "it"?

[TrashyMG]

Gunnar is also really sarcastic at times, especially on IRC.

[kolla]

I think you care otherwise you wouldn't go on offensive anytime there is a mention of things going on with the Vampire/Apollo team.

The same way I care for taking part other sorts of entertainment

[TrashyMG]

Oh nice, new important information - so one will have to chose between SAGA (Gold Core 3) or FPU (Gold Core 2.7). And of course the "full FPU solution" involves trapping of 68882 FPU instructions and feeding them to a software emulator, akin to those pesky 68040/68060 libraries who were so evil a few months ago.

No SAGA will be on both, AGA features will be on Gold 3.

It's a real FPU solution, no software emulation. Stop spreading %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! you don't know.

[kolla]

Gunnar is also really sarcastic at times, especially on IRC.

It was not sarcasm. It was frustration over the quality of work of those who had the task of implementing the FPU, as he realised he would have to to it himself, something he had no interest in. He would much rather work on the shiny new FPU on the V4. There was quite a raging discussion about this within the team at the time, though they now pretend it never happened.

[kolla]

No SAGA will be on both, AGA features will be on Gold 3.

As SAGA is supposed to be a superset of AGA (Super AGA), this makes zero sense.

Sounds like you confuse SAGA with P96 RTG support, which as "working title" goes by the name "SAGA".

It's a real FPU solution, no software emulation. Stop spreading you don't know.

So full support for _all_ 68882 instructions in the FPGA? That is news, as Gunnar has previously said it will only support those of 040 and 060.

[TrashyMG]

As SAGA is supposed to be a superset of AGA (Super AGA), this makes zero sense.

For reasons I don't understand SAGA was chosen for the name of the RTG graphics that come out of the HDMI interface. Gold 2.7 will still have that with ECS/OCS still coming out of the RGB port.

Gold 3 will introduce actual AGA support and the new Pamela sound chip over HDMI.

Maybe with the V4s it will make a bit more sense being called SAGA.

[kolla]

For reasons I don't understand SAGA was chosen for the name of the RTG graphics that come out of the HDMI interface. Gold 2.7 will still have that with ECS/OCS still coming out of the RGB port.

So nothing new, just at last an FPU of some sort.
So you have no information on whether it will fully implement all 68882 instructions and features on the FPGA, or whether it trap those that are not implemented and feed them to a software emulator, like is done with 68040 and 68060 using their respective libraries? There was such a hoopla over how utterly crap solution it was to need such libraries, yet from what I can see, they're doing the exact same thing themselves.

Gold 3 will introduce actual AGA support and the new Pamela sound chip over HDMI.

So Gold3 will introduce actual SAGA.

I guess there isn't any news after all then, just confusion and hyperbole (AMMX, AMMX2, AMMX2 + undocumented functions... which never seems to settle).

[guest11527]

So nothing new, just at last an FPU of some sort.
So you have no information on whether it will fully implement all 68882 instructions and features on the FPGA, or whether it trap those that are not implemented and feed them to a software emulator, like is done with 68040 and 68060 using their respective libraries?

As far as I got it, all of the FPU right now is just pure software anyhow, which might be fast enough, though. Given the amount of complexity, and the (in)-frequency of use of the transcendent functions, it is likely that at least the latter part remains in software for quite a while, as for the 68040 and 68060, though probably in a somewhat more robust way (i.e. no external library required). However, as far as I got the story, the integrated FPU is 64 bit only, which is again *often enough* sufficient, but not necessarily always.