[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[grond]

Thomas, how come you have all those programs and the respective sources without being under NDA? It's a pity you can't release this stuff. But that's due to Hyperion's lack of interest and not our fault. Collateral damage, so to say. So the work and disappointed idealism that went into it is the reason why you are so angry? Don't worry, the day will come when AOS will be legally open source (and hopefully merged with AROS).

[wawrzon]

Thomas, how come you have all those programs and the respective sources without being under NDA? It's a pity you can't release this stuff. But that's due to Hyperion's lack of interest and not our fault. Collateral damage, so to say. So the work and disappointed idealism that went into it is the reason why you are so angry? Don't worry, the day will come when AOS will be legally open source (and hopefully merged with AROS).

i dont like myself saying this, but looks so true..

[Fats]

This become real soap opera...

With some fresh popcorn it's kind of entertaining. And like any good soap series you'll not get too surprised by the main character's actions.

[Niding]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQKRIDbtSM

Mpeg test.

[wawrzon]

well, this therad as another on a1k and who knows where yet, illustrates hopefully for everybody rather well, what may usually happen, when coming too close within the vicitnity of some ips, copyrights, assumed ownerships or licenses, especially as soon as some hope for money to be gained of them even remotely (and funny enough upon somone elses work) appear somewhere out there.

is this what the community is served best with?

you tell me..

[Nickman]

Ehem, no. The latest version I have is probably six month old. A couple of bugs fixed - not only by me, also by others.

This consists of wrong drawing modes for some versions of BltTemplate, wrong detection of fast/chip memory, a somewhat streamlined blitplane copy algorithm, and maybe a couple of other things I don't remember.

Now, what do I do with that? Ignore the license and just throw it to Aminet? No, I do not have a developer license.

Essentially, it is nice to have this on my desktop, but it doesn't really help much there.

I have here an updated audio.device, an updated keymap.library, an updated keyboard.resource and probably a couple of other minor components I might have forgotten that are, in principle, ready to release.

Do I have a developer licence for AmigaOs? No. Can I release it? No.
Do you see a pattern here?

Yes i see a pattern. It sucks as bad as anything closed source in Amiga land.
You could have put all that into AROS and brought it up to speed instead.
Then you would have been free to release it.

Questions:
1. So you don't have developer license and still you have the source code to it all ?
2. And you think that these 10.000 would have magically made it possible for you to release all the above ? (please not the normal maybe because that is in Amiga land a certain no)

[kolla]

The second Thomas commits something to AROS, Amiga Inc. and Hyperion will slam AROS for copyright infringement

[guest11527]

1. So you don't have developer license and still you have the source code to it all ?

Yes.

2. And you think that these 10.000 would have magically made it possible for you to release all the above ? (please not the normal maybe because that is in Amiga land a certain no)

It would certainly not have made it possible to release sources and all that. How? But it would have made it possible to start a project about it and release the results.

[guest11527]

The second Thomas commits something to AROS, Amiga Inc. and Hyperion will slam AROS for copyright infringement

Which is pretty much the reason why I stay out of AROS, you got it.

[grond]

I can't speak for AROS but you certainly could contribute to parts that have no antecedent in AOS such as device drivers for modern devices.

[wawrzon]

I can't speak for AROS but you certainly could contribute to parts that have no antecedent in AOS such as device drivers for modern devices.

there is even a "core" os4 developer contributing to aros diskimage device, frederick. or rather he has become core developer at os4 after he has parallelly contributed his work to both for a good while. but i think thomas decision is right and i honour and understand it. he could consult, but then this is up to everybody personally.

[soviet]

When i see this thread i expected to finding a nice discussion about the new features of the vampire v2 but is just a legal mambo jumbo war, never expected to see so much lawyers wannabees on Amiga.org.

[nicholas]

When i see this thread i expected to finding a nice discussion about the new features of the vampire v2 but is just a legal mambo jumbo war, never expected to see so much lawyers wannabees on Amiga.org.

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

[Akiko]

When i see this thread i expected to finding a nice discussion about the new features of the vampire v2 but is just a legal mambo jumbo war, never expected to see so much lawyers wannabees on Amiga.org.

+1

The clue is in the title, one would expect this thread to be about the specs of vampire, planned firmware updates, availability, performance etc etc.  If people want to get into a pretracted 20  page discussion about OS wars and legal ranglings etc then an appropriate named thread should me created and all that stuff merged into it.

[zipper]

Some moderation called for.

[ExiE_]

Part of the discussion was that P96 was to be bought completely by Hyerion (they currently only have a license). This money goes from Hyperion to T&A. Where is this money supposed to come from?

The very moment P96 gets into Hyperion's claws it is essentially lost for 68k anyway. Without magical radical change of thinking in Hyperion, I think it is not possible to collaborate with them on such thing.