[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[Kremlar]

What? I'm sorry, I don't know what you're thinking. I don't mind Hyperions demise, nor do I work for them, have a contract with them, have received anything from them, nothing. I mind the demise of AmigaOs. There was a window of opportunity that would have allowed an ongoing development of the Os. Unfortuantely, it does not work without Hyperion. No, I do not like this either. If you see any other chance how to work on AmigaOs - let me know.

Yet you advocate for working with Hyperion regarding the P96 deal?  Doesn't add up.  If you truly cared about the authors' of P96 best interest you would be encouraging them to work with Gunnar on compensation.

Saying they can't be bothered to work with Gunnar and only want to deal with Hyperion seems silly.  If they wanted compensation for the license they would deal with Gunnar directly.  Who doesn't want 'free' money?

If they wanted to sell the entire product to Hyperion directly and no longer bother with licensing then they should do that irregardless of any deal that Gunnar might or might not make.

The whole thing seems like a shady play by Hyperion to get some cash to stave off starvation.  I truly believe that the sooner Hyperion is out of business the better it is for the Amiga community.

I think you misunderstand the whole open source thing, or are putting too much weight on the opinion of 1 or 2 people.

Most prefer AmigaOS being open sourced or AROS over continuing to fund Hyperion for pretty much nothing in return.

If a legitimate update to AmigaOS 3.x was released for a reasonable amount of money I think it would sell, even if the money went to Hyperion, but it would sell more if Hyperion were no longer involved.

[Niding]

What? I'm sorry, I don't know what you're thinking. I don't mind Hyperions demise, nor do I work for them, have a contract with them, have received anything from them, nothing. I mind the demise of AmigaOs. There was a window of opportunity that would have allowed an ongoing development of the Os. Unfortuantely, it does not work without Hyperion. No, I do not like this either. If you see any other chance how to work on AmigaOs - let me know.

I guess we hit the crux of the issue right here;

Gunnar talked to them, and couldnt get a sufficiently good deal with Hyperion.
-Hes concerned with the "roadmap" ahead for Vampire
-He said he prefer to go the AOS direction, but with one entity holding all(?) the cards in that regard, it seems a bit risky to go all in for AOS....again, without a solid deal.

You express issues with Hyperion, so how can you "blame" Gunnar/Apollo team to look at options given "it does not work without Hyperion".

It wont be the demise of AOS anyhow, no more than it has been up to now anyhow. AOS 3.x havent seen any development for many years and people keep tinkering with it.
That wouldnt have changed, with or without Vampire.

If you want to "blame" anyone, how about pointing at Hyperion that seemingly have no intrest in its development? I realise they are knee-deep in demands from AOS 4.x hardware owners.
Which brings me to another thing; AeonKit and Hyperion alike has been extremely quiet the last few months.

[Kremlar]

What? I'm sorry, I don't know what you're thinking. I don't mind Hyperions demise, nor do I work for them, nor do I have a contract with them, nor have I received anything from them, nothing. I mind the demise of AmigaOs. There was a window of opportunity that would have allowed an ongoing development of the Os. Unfortuantely, it does not work without Hyperion. No, I do not like this either. If you see any other chance how to work on AmigaOs - let me know.

Also, then if there is a window of opportunity make it work.  Contact Hyperion and convince them of this opportunity with this new FPGA hardware being released.  Even if Vampire did not succeed (seems very unlikely), there's FPGA Arcade and others and these products will only get better and faster.  Come up with a deal where you (and/or others) can work to update AmigaOS 3.x and release a new version.  If you believe there is a market, and I do too, then make it work.

Perhaps there is a deal to be made where you are compensated based on the # of units sold, which gives you incentive to produce a worthwhile update.  If you can then keep Hyperion out of the food chain.  Perhaps they money goes through a vendor (Cloanto, AmigaKit) and a portion of the sales go to you and the other portion is paid to Hyperion, otherwise you may be waiting forever for a check from Hyperion.  People would also feel better about giving money that goes to you vs. money that goes to the abyss that is Hyperion.

Don't complain because some people on the forum would prefer AROS - it's only because they have no confidence today in Hyperion and AmigaOS 3.x development!

You are right, there is a window of opportunity between now and when AROS is developed to the point where it is a reasonable replacement for AmigaOS 3.x.  Without development work on AmigaOS 3.x AROS 68K will likely get lots of attention since this FPGA hardware is gaining so much traction.

Seize the opportunity!  If Hyperion will only deal on ridiculous terms you'll get your answer - AmigaOS 3.x is dead while in their hands, and not because of the users but because of them.

[guest11527]

If you want to "blame" anyone, how about pointing at Hyperion that seemingly have no intrest in its development? I realise they are knee-deep in demands from AOS 4.x hardware owners.

You're right of course. Indeed, I had. I send them a pretty angry email two weeks ago how they could have possibly missed this type of a deal. There was a long talk with Gunnar, and they also f*cked this up. Thank you for pointing this out.

Then later last week send me "we would like to talk to you later, there are other FPGA projects", and my answer was, "thanks, no".

Reason is basically that the best they can do is a "Me, too!" project that comes too late, does too little, and even more - with whom working on the FPGA? It's not that there is any in-house knowledge for that at Hyperion. It requires a knowledgable CPU designer  - exactly like Gunnar - to get this job done. Done right.

So whom are they fooling? There's nothing better concering 68K on the market right now.

And yes, the Vampire does a lot of things right, from the technical perspective. It's a brilliant project as such.

Which brings me to another thing; AeonKit and Hyperion alike has been extremely quiet the last few months.

Yes, actually now that you mention it.

[Nickman]

You told me that you've some experience in Jura. So what's your hourly rate? I know mine. How much time would 10000€ pay you? How much time would it pay a software developer? How much time would it pay a freelance hobby developer. Please be honest, check the numbers carefully.

If those 10.000€ are somewhere lost in the machinary of Hyperion: I believe we agree, that's not worth it. If the 10.000€ arrive - to some degree - in the pockets of the developers, that's probably not too bad a deal at all.

What would that 10.000€ go to ?

Developing of the driver that is already done ?
Development of Picasso96 that is already done ?
Paying for Elbox mistake 15 years ago ?
Make it possible for Hyperion to make more PPC patches ?

IF there still was an active development of Picasso96, which there is not. (last version för 68k is from 1999) and IF that said developer did drivers for you (they dont) then yes this whole thing would look different. Now its just pathetic.

[kolla]

This is all so predictable

[Niding]

@Thomas

Okey, thanks for the insight into the Hyperion correspondance.

[wawrzon]

You're right of course. Indeed, I had. I send them a pretty angry email two weeks ago how they could have possibly missed this type of a deal. There was a long talk with Gunnar, and they also f*cked this up. Thank you for pointing this out.

Then later last week send me "we would like to talk to you later, there are other FPGA projects", and my answer was, "thanks, no".

Reason is basically that the best they can do is a "Me, too!" project that comes too late, does too little, and even more - with whom working on the FPGA? It's not that there is any in-house knowledge for that at Hyperion. It requires a knowledgable CPU designer  - exactly like Gunnar - to get this job done. Done right.

So whom are they fooling? There's nothing better concering 68K on the market right now.

And yes, the Vampire does a lot of things right, from the technical perspective. It's a brilliant project as such.



Yes, actually now that you mention it.

as you see all they can is ride on tails of others, miss deadlines, oversee opportunities, blame the audience, pretend to own or have licenses for something none can verify.

why would you want to associate yourself with someone like that? to have gallium and multicore promissed and talked about on forums for another twenty years? until maybe someone else achieves this?

no, thanks. i prefer they stay with ppc business and target audience, where they are welcome. they dont bring anything to the table.

[Aegis]

You're right of course. Indeed, I had. I send them a pretty angry email two weeks ago how they could have possibly missed this type of a deal. There was a long talk with Gunnar, and they also f*cked this up. Thank you for pointing this out.

Then later last week send me "we would like to talk to you later, there are other FPGA projects", and my answer was, "thanks, no".

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it takes a special kind of incompetence on Hyperion's part to screw up something like this.

Given that Gunnar *wanted* AOS on Vampire this was a win-win scenario for Hyperion since devs creating new software for a more powerful 68k platform (which could have been updated to make porting to OS4 easier) would've resulted in more software on PPC.

But as others have said, they're not even interested in supporting OS4 WinUAE despite being happy to sell ISOs alongside AF2016. Truly their own worst enemy.

[guest11527]

IF there still was an active development of Picasso96, which there is not. (last version för 68k is from 1999)

Ehem, no. The latest version I have is probably six month old. A couple of bugs fixed - not only by me, also by others.

This consists of wrong drawing modes for some versions of BltTemplate, wrong detection of fast/chip memory, a somewhat streamlined blitplane copy algorithm, and maybe a couple of other things I don't remember.

Now, what do I do with that? Ignore the license and just throw it to Aminet? No, I do not have a developer license.

Essentially, it is nice to have this on my desktop, but it doesn't really help much there.

I have here an updated audio.device, an updated keymap.library, an updated keyboard.resource and probably a couple of other minor components I might have forgotten that are, in principle, ready to release.

Do I have a developer licence for AmigaOs? No. Can I release it? No.

Do you see a pattern here?

[Aegis]

Thomas - can you not talk to Cloanto about including them in Amiga Forever? Clearly Mike has some leeway in updating (and distributing) AmigaOS 3.x

[Methuselas]

But as others have said, they're not even interested in supporting OS4 WinUAE despite being happy to sell ISOs alongside AF2016. Truly their own worst enemy.

That's 'cos they jacked Bernie's idea with Amithlon. They'll be "creating" their version in A.L.I.C.E. Gee, a linux kernel that boots straight into UAE and runs AmigaOS? Why does that sound familiar? :roflmao:

[Aegis]

That's 'cos they jacked Bernie's idea with Amithlon. They'll be "creating" their version in A.L.I.C.E. Gee, a linux kernel that boots straight into UAE and runs AmigaOS? Why does that sound familiar? :roflmao:

Actually that's all A-Eon's doing (with the ROM/OS licensed from Cloanto plus support from Toni Wilen and the AmiKit devs). Trevor's said that A.L.I.C.E. will optionally run OS4 (a paid extra I guess) but on the laptops they've been showing off it'll run like ass (because Hyperion are doing nothing to support UAE).

[wawrzon]

No. Can I release it? No.

Do you see a pattern here?

i feel your pain. any investment there is lost. but you are not a newbie, you know the people and the circumstances, how come you are surprised by this attitude?

[majsta]

This become real soap opera...

[grond]

Thomas, how come you have all those programs and the respective sources without being under NDA? It's a pity you can't release this stuff. But that's due to Hyperion's lack of interest and not our fault. Collateral damage, so to say. So the work and disappointed idealism that went into it is the reason why you are so angry? Don't worry, the day will come when AOS will be legally open source (and hopefully merged with AROS).