[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[AJCopland]

No-one is saying that the Vampire will only run AROS, or use AROS ROMs!

It's running Workbench 3.1 right now and has a licensed 3.1 ROM included.

The fact that they're investigating AROS and it's replacement ROM is just that an investigation, a test to see if it's a viable idea.

I would prefer it if the damn thing just map-rommed whatever ROM you've got and work without having to patch the ROM but that's the current situation not necessarily always going to be the case.

ThomasRichter you are spreading so much FUD about all of this. They (Apollo) do NOT depend on any OpenSource software or hardware in the current Vampire 2 boards for A600.
They do not have to OpenSource the core or board designs unless they desire doing so, they might be making money from these Vampire boards but you don't seem to mind when companies do that so what is your problem with them doing that? (if they are)

It's weird you argue about paying licenses for things that don't need a license because someone "deserves" money, but after 7 years of hard work by a team developing these accelerators and their hardware/FPGA design you then say that they should have to OpenSource it all for no benefit to them.

You are annoyingly inconsistent in this thread depending on who you're discussing.

So, no AROS is not the only way, and Gunnar is not forcing it on anyone, he's impressed by it but nothing more.
OS 3.1 does run on it, people have shown plenty of videos of it doing just that.
It's not 100% final, even their "Silver" core is still in testing and it's the "Gold" core (all of which will be free updates) that will have most of the bugs fixed. The current release is more like an "alpha" quality build with all features implemented but still with bugs.

All this arguing is doing is wasting a lot of time and typing on the internet.

[kolla]

"Users might not be aware of the consequences".

Again, if this is good or bad is your personal perspective, but I doubt that such users are aware of these implications.

What are the implications? Being yelled at on random web boards by you? That is really all the "implications" I can imagine happen.

[kolla]

It's running Workbench 3.1 right now and has a licensed 3.1 ROM included.

Really? Licensed by whom? If I was to buy a Vampire at some point, I would want to use my own kickstart. Is this possible too?

[OlafS3]

Really? Licensed by whom? If I was to buy a Vampire at some point, I would want to use my own kickstart. Is this possible too?

That is exactly what licensed here mean

people proof that they own a 3.1. license and use it

[guest11527]

ThomasRichter you are spreading so much FUD about all of this. They (Apollo) do NOT depend on any OpenSource software or hardware in the current Vampire 2 boards for A600.

Yes, it does. P96 support for a commercial platform requires a license. Is the P96 driver licensed? No, it's not.

It's weird you argue about paying licenses for things that don't need a license because someone "deserves" money, but after 7 years of hard work by a team developing these accelerators and their hardware/FPGA design you then say that they should have to OpenSource it all for no benefit to them.

Oh, wait, and P96 is "just there" and "nobody developed it", and "nobody deserves money for it"? I'm not demanding money for my pocket, remember? I'm asking for money for the original developers that also spend a lot of time - probably more than 7 years - to develop it.

You're saying this is worth nothing, and the work can just be taken?


For Apollo, yes of course you can ship this as commercial product, that's all fine and valid. But please, then also share parts of the income to the people that make this product possible (namely, Vampire on AmigaOs, to be precise!), and that are *also* software developers that build the original software stack.

Otherwise, if you believe that your product should depend on open source only, I believe it's only fair to ask to make it open source, too. Hence, open take - open give.

It's really quite simple.

All this arguing is doing is wasting a lot of time and typing on the internet.

Apparently, you don't understand a thing here. It's about honesty and ethnics. If my product depends on somebody else's product to enable its full functionality, and this other product requires licensing, I need to get this license. And no, I don't attempt to simply work around that, I tackle the problem honestly.

If I don't want to pay for the license for P96, I cannot simply provide the P96 driver for AmigaOs. For AROS, the situation might be different because AROS does not use P96, but for AmigaOs, it does.

Try to understand the situation for just a moment from the perspective of the P96 developers, please.

[Cosmos Amiga]

Oh, wait, and P96 is "just there" and "nobody developed it", and "nobody deserves money for it"? I'm not demanding money for my pocket, remember? I'm asking for money for the original developers that also spend a lot of time - probably more than 7 years - to develop it.

They got money back in the days for that. And "recently" again with OS4...

Be positive Thomas, you're always defending the indefensible...

[kolla]

That is exactly what licensed here mean

people proof that they own a 3.1. license and use it

So it is not included - I get conflicting information here

[kolla]

Yes, it does. P96 support for a commercial platform requires a license. Is the P96 driver licensed? No, it's not.

And what about people like me who do not even want to use RTG with Vampire2? Should we still be paying the added cost that a "legal" P96 would imply?

[Niding]

And what about people like me who do not even want to use RTG with Vampire2? Should we still be paying the added cost that a "legal" P96 would imply?

Depends on the solution Apollo Team decides for.

And I guess thats one of the reasons why  they are looking hard at AROS, cause it removes all the headaches of "if, but, maybe" scenarios, and deals with open source only.

Again; I have sympathy with developers getting paid, but the Amiga legal situation have so many twists and turns, plus parties that doesnt really communicate.
Add 10 000 dollars to that equation, and it muddies the water real quick.

No wonder BigGun is just shrugging, and gleaning towards AROS (even tho he indicates he would prefere AOS).

[nicholas]

and what if vampire/apollo doesnt (need to) ship with any rom? will there still be a problem because hyperiuon has no argument to demand licenses?

I suspect that once the core is finalised it'll just use whatever ROM you have installed like any other accelerator does. Perhaps patching it on the fly and running it from its onboard RAM.

Jason has written a driver for the RTG board that anyone is free to use with the P96 that they already paid for.  There is no law in any country that I'm aware of that prevents Jason from writing this driver and distributing it freely for anyone to do with as they see fit.

I challenge anyone to take this to court and see how far they get.

[OlafS3]

I suspect that once the core is finalised it'll just use whatever ROM you have installed like any other accelerator does. Perhaps patching it on the fly and running it from its onboard RAM.

Jason has written a driver for the RTG board that anyone is free to use with the P96 that they already paid for.  There is no law in any country that I'm aware of that prevents Jason from writing this driver and distributing it freely for anyone to do with as they see fit.

I challenge anyone to take this to court and see how far they get.

it is basically the same as on real amigas... the aros roms are installed from CF when booting starts or they are preinstalled. Both is possible

[OlafS3]

So it is not included - I get conflicting information here

I HAVE no conflict :roflmao:

no there are not different informations

official if you order and do not own 3.1 license yet you would get Aros roms

if you proof that you own 3.1 license you get 3.1

in first case you can use aros or whatever boots with the rom replacements. Who knows what future will bring there...

in second both because aros roms are loaded from CF

[Kremlar]

So it is not included - I get conflicting information here

Kipper2k's page indicates they have purchased some Kickstart 3.1 licenses and will include them on all future orders.

[kolla]

I challenge anyone to take this to court and see how far they get.

Exactly.

[kolla]

if you proof that you own 3.1 license you get 3.1

How is one supposed to prove this? Send photos of the motherboards with something that looks like genuine 3.1 kickstart ROMs on them?

(btw - it is "to prove" and "a proof")

[OlafS3]

How is one supposed to prove this? Send photos of the motherboards with something that looks like genuine 3.1 kickstart ROMs on them?

(btw - it is "to prove" and "a proof")

thanx... as i understand it you have to read it out and upload it. But better to ask kipper there directly about the details

I am personal not interested in that anyway

from someone already done it:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=81535&page=9

You grab an image of your Amiga ROM (along with a checksum) with a utility you can download on Aminet.
You then upload to Kippers  FTP server where it get validated.
Just for the record, I did this a while ago and it seems my image is in the "valid" folder.