[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[Crumb]

Indivision ECS uses a real denise, so it's not emulation.

You can remove denise and your indivision will replace it. I don't care how you name it: emulation or reimplementation. Who cares? I would have loved amiga MMC+crussoe and Code morphing, this is the closest

[kolla]

If you program a FPGA to function as a Paula Chip yes you are emulating the Paula chip but at a Hardware level. Get over it already.... FPGA is the next best thing! Better than NOTHING!

The Paula chip is emulating bits of the original Lorraine prototype then. And AGA is emulation of ECS and OCS.

The point is - the chips are based on designs that you can implement with transistors, with chips, and most conveniently these days, with FPGA. Same for the CPU, implementations of designs.

Emulation is primary about translation and imitating behaviour. Ask Toni Wilen about how UEA works and how it is different than using FPGA.

[kolla]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care whether it is or isn't emulation?

Not at all. But I have yet to see emulation work as well as current FPGA options do.

I just look forward to considerably  upgrading the computer I got as a seven year old and seeing what it can do after 30 years.

Remember to compare it with emulators then, see if you notice any differences.

[kolla]

Only in a world of logical fallacy and trolling.

I am not trolling, at best I am emulating a troll.

[OlafS3]

I am not trolling, at best I am emulating a troll.

Not trolling but voting you for number one making most senseless discussions

[Rob]

You can remove denise and your indivision will replace it. I don't care how you name it: emulation or reimplementation. Who cares? I would have loved amiga MMC+crussoe and Code morphing, this is the closest

You can even stack them for too independent displays.

[Fats]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care whether it is or isn't emulation?

I also don't give a ...
But I like it how people fill pages full of text discussing the meaning of a word; especially given that meaning of language is non-deterministic anyway, depending on context and evolves over time.

[kolla]

So how do one distinguish between using FPGA and using UAE? You can see on this very thread how people are confusing the two, and it is even worse "out there" among more normal people.

[TheMagicM]

i am not trolling, at best i am emulating a troll.

lmao.

[psxphill]

The Paula chip is emulating bits of the original Lorraine prototype then.

It would be more industry practice to say the bread boards emulated the chips.

Emulation is primary about translation and imitating behaviour. Ask Toni Wilen about how UEA works and how it is different than using FPGA.

It's nothing to do with translation, it's only to do with imitating behaviour.

You're assuming that I don't know how emulators written for CPU's work and how emulators written for FPGA's work. I completely understand the difference between them, but they are still emulators.

CPU's are programmable, so are FPGA's. If the programs are both imitating behaviour then how are they not both emulators?

[psxphill]

Not at all. But I have yet to see emulation work as well as current FPGA options do.

If you ignore latency then UAE works as well as any real Amiga or FPGA emulation.

So how do one distinguish between using FPGA and using UAE? You can see on this very thread how people are confusing the two, and it is even worse "out there" among more normal people.

You distinguish between then by the actual difference. If you need consistent timing and low latency then use real hardware or an FPGA, if you don't then UAE is just as good.

But I like it how people fill pages full of text discussing the meaning of a word; especially given that meaning of language is non-deterministic anyway, depending on context and evolves over time.

Which is why we don't need people trying to twist the words meaning for their own agenda by applying negative connotations to it. We may as well start referring to UAE as a Nazi.

[kolla]

Which is why we don't need people trying to twist the words meaning for their own agenda by applying negative connotations to it. We may as well start referring to UAE as a Nazi.

Is it not you who have an agenda by applying negative connotations ("emulator") to the item in topic here?

[wawrzon]

We may as well start referring to UAE as a Nazi.

none said uae or fpga were evil. there is difference of being serial (software) or parallel (hardware) in design. but obviously none is interested discussin it with either of you. ad advise you to take your discussion to pm or create a separate thread where you can quarel at will. leave this thread to people interested in vampire and apollo core. there is enough interesting things to report in contrary to your fruitless discussion.

apparently an own scan doubling solution for vampire:

http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=4173&order=&x=0

new saga functionalities, planar support:

http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=4191

attempt an opengl solution (library):

http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=4142&x=0

[Fats]

We may as well start referring to UAE as a Nazi.

You seem to feel attacked by my words; not my intention. It's just that there is no one definition of emulation and the meaning differs by context and by person no matter how hard you claim there is one.
I found definition of emulation in online dictionaries that support your definition but I found also definitions that support the other people's interpretation.

[Iggy]

Frankly, I'd have to emulate someone who gives a sh*t, to take a position on this one.
If it works, I'm fine with it, no matter what is under the hood.

[HammerD]

Frankly, I'd have to emulate someone who gives a sh*t, to take a position on this one.
If it works, I'm fine with it, no matter what is under the hood.

I actually prefer the real hardware, even though it can be a pain.  But WinUAE can also be a pain with all the options.  

The best software emulation (for me at least) is Amithlon, as it's very close to the hardware, and actually uses some drivers that hit the real hardware.  

Anyway, I think the Vampire will be in the same boat - it's a FPGA programmed as a super fast 68k.  And it also uses real hardware and drivers.  So to me that probably will be like Amilthon, in a way, in terms of how it feels.  I have a Vampire 500 on order but I'm sure it will be a long wait still.

Darren