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amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« on: January 28, 2016, 01:28:50 AM »
Hello all,

i finally got back into the Amiga universe by purchasing a nice package:

Amiga 1200 Escom version
AGA1200Mk2
ACA1230
CF drive

I am having issues with connecting the Amiga to my LCD TV:

Using a DVI to HDMI cable i can boot into the preferences (holding down the two mouse buttons or either button) and change to PAL/NTSC, but once i boot up the screen goes black and i get the "No Signal" message...I have't found a way to connect the amiga directly to my tv and have it work, yet...so the next option is...

The Amiga also came with an OREI XD990 HDMI to NTSC box, which seems to work (although no audio) if i connect the DVI to HDMI to it, but there's noticeable lag.

Am i doing something wrong?

What would be the most elegant way to connect my Amiga to my LCD tv and enjoy old games?

Do i need to purchase one of those expensive Framemeister thingies :) ?


Thanks in advance for all toyed help...love the forum and i am thankful for such community!

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 01:51:07 AM »
Not that I can provide any help right now but.. I love that Maniac Mansion avatar.

Good luck.

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 01:54:58 AM »
The Indivision should allow you to to connect to your display without any additional hardware.  When you say:
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but once i boot up the screen goes black and i get the "No Signal" message...
What screenmode do you have selected in Workbench?  The Indi should automatically convert most standard screenmodes to display, but I can see it being possible to screw with it if you have some really odd screenmode set.

As a test, try a regular DVI monitor instead of going through a DVI-to-HDMI adapter?

Or this, for straight HDMI output from the Indi:

http://kipper2k.com/a500extra.html
« Last Edit: January 28, 2016, 01:57:34 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 02:00:19 AM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;803029
The Indivision should allow you to to connect to your display without any additional hardware.  When you say:
What screenmode do you have selected in Workbench?  The Indi should automatically convert most standard screenmodes to display, but I can see it being possible to screw with it if you have some really odd screenmode set.

As a test, try a regular DVI monitor instead of going through a DVI-to-HDMI adapter?

Or this, for straight HDMI output from the Indi:

http://kipper2k.com/a500extra.html


Hi,

i am not sure i know how to check the settings of the Indi/Workbench at bootup: If i hold down both mouse buttons i only get the option to switch between pal and ntsc, if i hold down the left button or the right button i get other options but none seem to deal with resolution.

Could you guide me through  this process, please? Thank you! All i ever knew to do was popping in disks in my amiga 500 :)

Unfortunately i have no other monitor to test it with at this time .

Thanks in advance!
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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 02:02:16 AM »
Oldsmobile_Mike, didnt you make a youtube video about how to change back to default screenmodes thru the cli? Basically deleting the monitor files to get workbench out of screen resolutions outside the monitors range...?
 

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 02:20:46 AM »
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65059

"boot to early startup and then boot with no startup sequence.
then rename
SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive/Sys/screenmode.prefs
to someting else. you could delete it but you may need it later. then reboot.."

Might be what you need?
 

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 02:30:18 AM »
Quote from: Niding;803032
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65059

"boot to early startup and then boot with no startup sequence.
then rename
SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive/Sys/screenmode.prefs
to someting else. you could delete it but you may need it later. then reboot.."

Might be what you need?



thank you...i'll give this a try and report back!

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 02:46:16 AM »
That worked, although it seems i need to play with the right resolution. Would you happen to know the best/recommended one for an LCD tv?

Also, how do I get sound out of the DVI to HDMI?

Almost there...thanks again for all the help.

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 02:51:53 AM »
Quote from: Niding;803031
Oldsmobile_Mike, didnt you make a youtube video about how to change back to default screenmodes thru the cli? Basically deleting the monitor files to get workbench out of screen resolutions outside the monitors range...?

Why yes, yes I did.  ;)

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSzJn9BRHIE
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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2016, 02:52:55 AM »
I got indivision mk 2, and I still channel my music/sound thru the normal audioports.

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Love the look of your Workbench. It was something I was working on as my PSU died on me today. Mechy is sending me a new one tomorrow, so Im defintly going to get more into the details you describe in your last youtube.

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 02:57:24 AM »
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That worked, although it seems i need to play with the right resolution. Would you happen to know the best/recommended one for an LCD tv?

Also, how do I get sound out of the DVI to HDMI?

Almost there...thanks again for all the help.

A76

DVI doesn't carry an audio signal.  You need one of the cables like this:



If I was using an A1200 through HDMI on a modern LCD TV (which I'm assuming your TV is widescreen), I would try the HD720 mode.  1280x720, with AGA you can do up to 256 colors (ECS limits it to 4 colors), but it can be pretty chip ram intensive.

See this thread from a few days ago for more suggestions on screenmodes, also cooling tips:  www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70374
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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2016, 03:04:38 AM »
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I got indivision mk 2, and I still channel my music/sound thru the normal audioports.

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Unfortunately this isn't possible since my TV and/or receiver don't allow for mixing/pairing analog audio ins with HDMI inputs.

I guess i am stuck with no audio?
 

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2016, 03:08:03 AM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;803038
DVI doesn't carry an audio signal.  You need one of the cables like this:



If I was using an A1200 through HDMI on a modern LCD TV (which I'm assuming your TV is widescreen), I would try the HD720 mode.  1280x720, with AGA you can do up to 256 colors (ECS limits it to 4 colors), but it can be pretty chip ram intensive.

See this thread from a few days ago for more suggestions on screenmodes, also cooling tips:  www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70374


Thank you.

That cable wouldn't work for me unfortunately as the TV doesn't allow pairing of Analog audio in with HDMI in for some reason....

I cannot seem to find HD720 in OS 3.1...should i use the OS3.9 boot CF card i was provided and see if it's there?

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Re: amiga 1200/ Indivision AGA mk2 problems
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2016, 03:08:07 AM »
Looks like Mike got the solution with that cable. Never seen one of those, so curious wether or not its one of those custom made ones that might float on ebay. Or run of the mill cables you can get from good stores...?

I defer you to Mikes capable hands :)