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Offline orangeTopic starter

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non non DOS image
« on: November 07, 2015, 01:01:38 PM »
How to read and write back image of diskette in some strange format, for eg. IBM 720K?
I've tried wwarp but it asks for 'sync' and 'track length'?
It can be copied with 'nibble' in X-Copy, but I need it as file.
Thanks.
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Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2015, 09:27:17 AM »
Probably Crossdos ? It can read PC 720k physical floppies so I guess
you could use it for disk images also but never tried that.Works for
physical floppies.

You can try Win(UAE) , it can support wide range of disk images
now but you need CrossDos or something on Amiga side of things.
 

Offline pyrre

Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2015, 05:39:23 PM »
I have always had a dosdriver named MS0 in my devs\dosdriver folder. and i have always been able to read and write, even format 720K MSdos disks...
in my a1200...
never tried it on any other amiga...
and the MS0 was included in the WB3.0 setup disks...
Or if you have a pc with windows installed Diskcopy should be able to do the trick.
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Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2015, 06:35:34 PM »
Hi pyrre,

How about Fat95 ?

See  http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/fat95

Win95/98 compatible file system

Also allows long file names.

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"Features
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* workbench and applications support
* diskchange autosense
* format type autosense: FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32
* simple LINUX style partition selection or manual definition
* up to 4 GBytes of partition size for FAT16
* large harddisk support via TD64 or direct SCSI
* long filenames (up to 104 chars for now)
* inquiry, read, write, and maintenance access
* built-in error check utility
* disk formatting using the OS 2.0+ format command
* MS-DOS 8.3 downward compatibility
* user definable language and code page
* date range Jan 1st, 1980 through Dec 31st, 2107
* extended datestamp support: creation date and time, last accessed date
  (written automatically, readable as file comment text)
* volume serial number as name for unnamed volumes
* automatic directory optimization
* written entirely in assembly language

And finally...
==============

By kind request of its author, I hereby link to his MUI tool for generating fat95 mountlists (although I could not test it since I have no MUI...):

aminet/disk/misc/fatmounter.lha

Best regards to everybody who mailed me, especially H.J. "Buccaneer" Pinkert for spending hours on testing and bug reporting!!!

I have been enjoying "fat95" for some time already as part of my private "sneaker net" towards several PCs via CF memory cards.

On massive public demand, fat95 is now trying to support FAT32, too ;-)

Feel free to send me an email on your experiences with "fat95"!"


I hope this helps.


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Offline kolla

Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2015, 09:30:15 PM »
No, what came with Workbench was a light version of CrossDOS with PC0 and PC1. MS0 is something that comes with the Fat95 archive - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/fat95 - of course you can name those devices freely as you like.

Anyways... one can deal with non-dos disks by using various tools that reads and writes to the device and not to the filesystem, for example one can use the raw disk handler - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/RawDiskHandler
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Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 10:33:40 AM »
Quote from: orange;798843
How to read and write back image of diskette in some strange format, for eg. IBM 720K?
I've tried wwarp but it asks for 'sync' and 'track length'?
It can be copied with 'nibble' in X-Copy, but I need it as file.
Thanks.


Like mentioned before: Install Fat95 first, then double-click on the MS0 icon.
Now download TGui and with
this program you can now read/write PC MS-DOS 720kb floppy disks.
 

Offline pyrre

Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 12:34:27 PM »
Quote from: kolla;798911
No, what came with Workbench was a light version of CrossDOS with PC0 and PC1. MS0 is something that comes with the Fat95 archive - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/fat95 - of course you can name those devices freely as you like.

Anyways... one can deal with non-dos disks by using various tools that reads and writes to the device and not to the filesystem, for example one can use the raw disk handler - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/RawDiskHandler
Sorry my bad.
PC0 it was, included with the workbench install
I cannot remember now why i installed the system with fat95.
it might have to do with the zip drive i was trying to get to work at that time...
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Offline Thomas

Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 01:03:24 PM »
The main part you need is mfm.device (or messydisk.device which does a similar job).

The file system used is irrelevant for disk images. You can use CrossDOS or Fat95 or even FFS if you don't want to read files. All you need is a dos driver reading Device=mfm.device.

Offline vince_6

Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2015, 03:49:29 PM »
Crossdos is the way.
Also you can try DiskImageCtrl and Virtual Floppy from Aminet.
With the above you can mount the image on your Amiga.
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Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2015, 10:27:47 AM »
Solved, by using MFMWarp without any special options.
Great util, pity it needs compression libraries (or is there option to save as 'raw'?).
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Re: non non DOS image
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2015, 07:59:56 PM »
Quote from: orange;798843
How to read and write back image of diskette in some strange format, for eg. IBM 720K?
I've tried wwarp but it asks for 'sync' and 'track length'?
It can be copied with 'nibble' in X-Copy, but I need it as file.
Thanks.


This brings in mind an old thread.
A couple of months ago I tried to restore an old backup from a 2007 .mfm file, but no luck. I`ll have to findout a way to recover the disk contents.
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