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Offline eliyahu

Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2015, 11:47:13 PM »
@thread

ok, folks. all of the linux/BSD/UNIX discussion has been moved here. please continue that part of your conversation in that thread, and keep this thread focused on tabor. thanks. :)

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Offline Iggy

Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2015, 03:40:46 PM »
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@thread

ok, folks. all of the linux/BSD/UNIX discussion has been moved here. please continue that part of your conversation in that thread, and keep this thread focused on tabor. thanks. :)

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That is a fabulous idea.
You guys can continue that one on your own.
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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2015, 04:16:46 PM »
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So basically in layman's terms when/if PowerPC dies then OS4 dies with it?

Is the licence for any Power ISA processor or specifically the PowerPC? Mind you, I can't see it being ported to IBM Power 8 hardware but it would be cool if it was. :)

Could try running it in work on the iSeries then :)
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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2015, 04:19:27 PM »
This could be good if it really is cheap, need something close to elfika prices. I really want to get into AOS4 coding and got AOS4.1FE running on fs-uae, but its crash happy.  Don't know if its the version  of fs-use or what.  But I would like something stable to tinker on, but its only to learn , so don't want to spend more than a few hundred quid tops.
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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2015, 08:25:57 PM »
I take no credit for this screenshot, it showed up on one of the Amiga Google+ forums:

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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2015, 08:51:07 PM »
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I take no credit for this screenshot, it showed up on one of the Amiga Google+ forums:

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Thats is faster then a A1XE G4 933 according to an add on Amibay.
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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2015, 09:12:10 PM »
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That's all well and good running Linux with the whole OS and applications compiled specifically for the exact CPU and FPU.

Running OS4 on it with FPU emulation for the applications is a whole other story.
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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2015, 10:29:30 PM »
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That's all well and good running Linux with the whole OS and applications compiled specifically for the exact CPU and FPU.

Running OS4 on it with FPU emulation for the applications is a whole other story.


I noticed that. Will wait to see what it does running native OS4...
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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2015, 11:22:38 PM »
45mips and 3mflops under linux euae?
 

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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2015, 12:43:03 AM »
In response to the the state of things and using PPC because of past decisions; it is what it is. AmigaOS is still developed BeOS isn't. PPC chips are available and new machines are being designed and made so it is a win of sorts. Would Amiga companies make Amiga hardware if Hyperion supported x86/x64? No. Would there be any money left to fund the AmiStore and 'Amiga' software development? No. Could this change in the future? Probably.
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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2015, 01:36:37 AM »
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45mips and 3mflops under linux euae?


3.4 FPU MFlops in SysInfo is about 3x the speed of the 68882. The Tabor trapping all FPU instructions would likely drop the MFlops below 6888x performance levels which is awful compared to the 68040 and 68060 FPU.

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In response to the the state of things and using PPC because of past decisions; it is what it is. AmigaOS is still developed BeOS isn't.


Unsustainable. Hyperion was practically bankrupt which means its "state of things" is no more sustainable than for the Be.

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PPC chips are available and new machines are being designed and made so it is a win of sorts.


Unsustainable. There is only one PPC manufacturer left for small quantities of PPC processors and the selection of embedded processors is currently limited as can be seen with the handicapped Tabor board's non-standard FPU. The last PPC manufacturer was just bought out so any manufacturing longevity promises are probably from different management.

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Would Amiga companies make Amiga hardware if Hyperion supported x86/x64?


Unsustainable. Companies don't make new Amiga hardware unless they are partners with A-EON/Hyperion. The PPC Amiga market is too small for new affordable hardware and controlled by access and support for AmigaOS 4. There is new 68k FPGA hardware but it is unsupported by A-EON/Hyperion. Moving to x86_64 would transition to an all software company which has to compete with Windows and Haiku the BeOS descendant. Then we would see who would win an AmigaOS vs BeOS competition for most dead ;).

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No. Would there be any money left to fund the AmiStore and 'Amiga' software development? No. Could this change in the future? Probably.


Unsustainable. Affordable standard hardware would generate more software development than subsidizing software development. I am highly skeptical that the Tabor board is a game changer but sells numbers will tell the story.
 

Offline kolla

Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2015, 03:58:52 AM »
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AmigaOS is still developed BeOS isn't.


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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2015, 04:04:01 AM »
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Haiku does not count?


I think Haiku is great and does count
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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2015, 09:25:01 AM »
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Re: A-EON Technology: Introducing Tabor and the A1222
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2015, 10:46:16 AM »
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numbers will tell the story.


we wont know any numbers i guess.