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Offline punkyclownTopic starter

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64 color backdrops
« on: October 24, 2015, 01:19:53 AM »
Hi, Can anyone point me to some good or interesting 64 color backdrops.  I see lots of nice Workbench images with cool backdrops but I have no idea where to look for any.
Thanks

Brad
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2015, 05:14:39 AM »
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Hi, Can anyone point me to some good or interesting 64 color backdrops.  I see lots of nice Workbench images with cool backdrops but I have no idea where to look for any.

Well, I would say get ahold of some nice 24-bit bitmaps and then use a copy of AdPro to reduce them down to 64 colors... but given that other thread on that software going on right now, would that just be trolling?  LOL.  :lol:

TL;DR.  ImageFX or other software can do that for you as well.  Heck, I used to have the Rebel 16-color palette mapped in Photoshop on my PC, down to the exact RGB values, and I'd scale images down for my Amiga that way.  :)
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Offline dschallock

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2015, 06:26:54 AM »
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... and then use a copy of AdPro to reduce them down to 64 colors...

:roflmao::rofl::roflmao:
 

Offline vince_6

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2015, 08:58:39 AM »
I use PPaint to reduce colors and resolution with dithering on.
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Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2015, 08:27:49 PM »
The only trouble with doing this is even though they look good in the graphics program,
when you put them in as a backdrop it displays differently, not as well.  Wish someone
would explain that to me.  Thanks
 

Offline Rob

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2015, 09:06:43 PM »
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The only trouble with doing this is even though they look good in the graphics program,
when you put them in as a backdrop it displays differently, not as well.  Wish someone
would explain that to me.  Thanks


Are you making sure you scaled the images to the same size as your workbench screen first?

The scaling routines in art packages may be better than that of the OS.
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2015, 09:17:54 PM »
Crop the image to the exact resolution of your Workbench prior to setting it. Color reduction is performed by datatypes, try upgrading to the WarpDT's for better performance. Also check your palette, many optimizations can be made there - e.g., set the image to use the exact same colors as your Workbench. Recommend reading things like mfilos's guide to the Rebel palette (linked to above) for a better understanding. :)
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Offline vince_6

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2015, 09:30:45 PM »
Indeed, you must lock some colors as sys default like icons or else the image will look strange.
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Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2015, 09:47:05 PM »
Two other tips:  If you're not already using Peter K.'s icon library, you should:  http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4

A new version of it was just uploaded a couple days ago.  This will provide you much faster icon rendering and more accurate color reduction, especially if you're using something like 3.9 GlowIcons or Ken's Icons.

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Offline number6

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 11:01:06 PM »
Quote from: punkyclown;797994
Hi, Can anyone point me to some good or interesting 64 color backdrops.  I see lots of nice Workbench images with cool backdrops but I have no idea where to look for any.
Thanks

Brad


16 and 256 optimized color palettes that can hardly be optimized any further already exist.
One issue I see mentioned is reserved pens. This depends somewhat on what icon set you are using. For example, for MagicWorkbench you would want to copy the palette for the icons into the first 8 registers and lock the palette.

There's a different path here depending on whether you want to render a specific image with the best palette available for THAT image or...whether you are trying to create the best palette for all images you might use.

example of a locked 64 color palette that accomodates different icon sets

from this thread

The reason your image looks different in WB is the result of WB palette picking, which is horrible.
It gets worse when you load a 2nd picture while still displaying the first, etc.
This is the reason why locked palettes were created. You can't get perfection out of 64 or 256 colors, but by using a locked palette, each picture is basically the identical overall quality, regardless of how many you have showing on the WB simultaneously.

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Offline vince_6

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2015, 09:56:18 AM »
With a 4 or 5 bit palette you can have some good results too.

4bit
http://s26.postimg.org/h81yfenx5/A600_WB.jpg

5bit
http://s26.postimg.org/omra7s9sp/A1200.jpg
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Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2015, 10:53:57 AM »
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4bit
http://s26.postimg.org/h81yfenx5/A600_WB.jpg


Where did you find that wallpaper?
 

Offline vince_6

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2015, 11:13:02 AM »
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Where did you find that wallpaper?


I think it was from a manga cd that was around for the amiga.
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Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2015, 05:49:18 PM »
Thanks :)
 

Offline NovaCoder

Re: 64 color backdrops
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2015, 06:39:25 AM »
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Two other tips:  If you're not already using Peter K.'s icon library, you should:  http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4


Another vote for Peter's icon.library here :)

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