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Offline wawrzon

Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #44 from previous page: October 18, 2015, 07:50:58 PM »
an update:
http://kipper2k.com/vampire/v3003_x15_SysInfo.jpg
ah, seems bringup page has been updated as well:
http://apollo-core.com/bringup/index2.htm
pity we have no backup for detailed comparison, seems the core gets clocked at a higher speed.
 

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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2015, 11:20:50 AM »
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an update:
http://kipper2k.com/vampire/v3003_x15_SysInfo.jpg
ah, seems bringup page has been updated as well:
http://apollo-core.com/bringup/index2.htm
pity we have no backup for detailed comparison, seems the core gets clocked at a higher speed.

update on the apollo core bringup page
 http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/index2.htm
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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2015, 01:21:45 PM »
That is really amazing!
 

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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2015, 10:47:08 PM »
While the comparison is pretty impressive and shows about twice the speed for the Vampire against the 060/80 it also reminds me how slow 68k actually is. My Powerbook calculates the glassletter scene with the same resolution in 9s - about 16 times the speed of the Vampire and about 30 times the speed of a 060/80. And that without being native ppc code, but run by the Trance 68k JIT.

But I am really looking forward to the Vampireboard and may purchase one eventually. It'll be the fastest 68k system.

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« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2015, 11:27:10 PM »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoJ-RsWLd2g


Impressive, about the speed of a 144mhz 060. Maybe one day there will be one to bring my old 3000/4000's back to life.

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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2015, 09:49:44 AM »
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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2015, 01:25:48 PM »
This is quite impressive. I would like to see a comparison with a stock 1200, 030 A1200, 060 A1200 and a Vampire board playing Quake for Amiga at the same resolution.
 

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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2015, 01:40:48 PM »
In the Cinema 4D test the FPU was disabled on the 060 to be fair to the Vampire since the FPU is not finished.  In reality the 060 would be 3-5x faster if the FPU was enabled.  It does show that in integer operations the Vampire IS 2x faster than the 060 but who would ever try to run a 3d application with no FPU.
 

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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2015, 08:21:01 PM »
Scummvm ESC running Sam&Max on v600 2. Seems to run smooth enough.

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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2015, 08:45:17 PM »
RTG on A600, it keeps getting better :)


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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2015, 09:12:43 PM »
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I understand the A600 was targeted as it was the machine with fewest upgrade options.


I thought it was because that was just what he had when he started. IMO it doesn't make much sense to pick the least popular Amiga just because it didn't have upgrade options. He could of course just be a masochist.

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I'm unsure how much difference there is between the A600 and A1200/3000/4000 bus


Conceptually it's similar because it's a parallel cpu bus, but there are plenty of differences between them. A600 is only 16 bit, the rest are 32bit. A3000/A4000 cpu bus is asynchronous, while A600 is synced to the chipset.

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but I think, due to the simplicity of the board design (thanks to the FPGA) it shouldn't be too difficult to design cards for other machines.


If it were simple then why has nobody else done it? There are off the shelf FPGA cores.

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Once the core is stable and available I think (hope!) things may snowball... :D


Once the A600 version is stable they can start again and design new hardware and write new code for the next machine. Of course there will likely be a chunk of code that can be reused, but it's still a whole lot of work.
 

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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2015, 09:15:07 PM »
All of this advances are OK but a this speed we see a1200 prototype card at 2020.
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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2015, 10:10:54 PM »
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I thought it was because that was just what he had when he started.

If it were simple then why has nobody else done it? There are off the shelf FPGA cores.



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Well there was the Vampire 1 last year, I think the hardware is not the problem, it is the development of the fpga cpu.
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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2015, 11:51:16 PM »
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Well there was the Vampire 1 last year, I think the hardware is not the problem, it is the development of the fpga cpu.

One person in the world has developed two versions so far and you think hardware isn't the problem? There are far more people developing cores for minimig/mist/fpgaarcade and there are fpga cpu cores you can take off the shelf. It's easier and cheaper to get into HDL side, prototyping and designing boards is a whole different game.

It shouldn't be too hard to translate the A600 Vampire 2 into an A1000/A500 board, so I'd expect to see that next as it might sell a few. Maybe an A2000 board if someone is interested, but as it's going to be closed source then you will need to get someone in the inner sanctum interested as it will probably require a few tweaks. Probably won't sell many but the effort should be low.

An A3000/4000 card is going to be a lot of work as it's a much faster and more complex cpu slot, different buster revisions to deal with etc. The high cost of buying a few of them for R&D and potentially damaging them, compared to the low number of people who would buy one is likely to put them off.

A1200 is probably in between complexity wise and is probably the card that will sell the most. However the different revisions of motherboards are likely to create stability issues and they might want to avoid that altogether.

I am not sure what "Just to mention that this board will never enter serial production. It will be used only for development purpose. " means, but it might be that you need to wait for V3 to be able to buy one.
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Re: Sign of life of Apollo FPGA project
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2015, 12:15:06 AM »
If I recall correctly, the Vampire boards are open sourced hardware. The "problem" is the expanded Apollo core that is proprietary. It may seem that the Grand Plan is to attempty to create a new de-facto proprietary 68k CPU for Amiga, a CPU core that can be licensed by hardware manufactorers from Gunnar.
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