I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

[rayt]

That's why they want OS4 running on it too, because many developers (and early adopters) in this talanted community makes that OS their first choice.

If thats true, why dont they simply get a license for Os4 like they originally intented to do? Why do they always think their are something better than other companies?

Dont get me wrong, I would like to see Os4 on pegasos, too. But not in the way that bill buck takes over amiga and the only official "amiga" will be the pegasos and there will be no A1s anymore. Maybe bbrv is afraid of the microaone because it might be as cheap as or cheaper than the pegasos and so he wants to stop it.

[AmiGR]

I try not to participate in threads with this topic on any
forum these days but why would Genesi want to pay a company
that threatened them, discredited them, spreaded fud
ALL over them etc etc etc?

Why do people always tend to forget what Amiga Inc have done
in the past?

BTW, I really hope that this story will not be turned into
a Genesi VS Hyperion war...

[cecilia]

uncharted wrote:
Trying work out the Amiga-Genesi situation is like an erection, the more you think about it, the harder it gets :-)

WOAH! how did i miss THIS reference?? :lol: :lol:
I completely agree, btw. although, i think you meant it was "difficult", not harder.  :idea:

this entire situation has always given me a headache! Fighting is never good. And i'm not talking about civilized disagreements!
but all the hating and mudslinging is a giant turn-off!

I wasn't paying much attention for the last few years because I was busy with my career, but this past year I've begun to notice and i'm amazed there are any amiga users left!!!

this crap has just GOT to stop. As i said before, we need to look out for each other and stop hoping for a savior. Do you really think the head of ANY company really cares about YOU personally?

I know no one gives a rat's A55 about me!

we can only care for each other. so lets get on the ball and do the right things. if you can program, do something great for other amiga users. That's why I write those HowTo's. I will never get anything ($) for doing them, but it's the right thing to do!
isn't THAT the "Amiga way"

[ottomobiehl]

cecilia wrote:

uncharted wrote:
Trying work out the Amiga-Genesi situation is like an erection, the more you think about it, the harder it gets :-)

WOAH! how did i miss THIS reference?? :lol: :lol:
I completely agree, btw. although, i think you meant it was "difficult", not harder.  :idea:

this entire situation has always given me a headache! Fighting is never good. And i'm not talking about civilized disagreements!
but all the hating and mudslinging is a giant turn-off!

I wasn't paying much attention for the last few years because I was busy with my career, but this past year I've begun to notice and i'm amazed there are any amiga users left!!!

this crap has just GOT to stop. As i said before, we need to look out for each other and stop hoping for a savior. Do you really think the head of ANY company really cares about YOU personally?

I know no one gives a rat's A55 about me!

we can only care for each other. so lets get on the ball and do the right things. if you can program, do something great for other amiga users. That's why I write those HowTo's. I will never get anything ($) for doing them, but it's the right thing to do!
isn't THAT the "Amiga way"

Well said.

[gary_c]

rayt wrote:

If thats true, why dont they simply get a license for Os4 like they originally intented to do?

As I understand it, to get the license Genesi would have to meet demands by Amiga, Inc. that they thought were unreasonable. I heard that Amiga said they would only allow AOS on the Pegasos if it was sold without MorphOS. I can't remember where I heard this, though, so take it with a big grain of salt.

But my guess is if it were a simple matter to just pay a license fee, then that might have happened already, or at least you'd hear noises about it being a future prospect. People don't usually let  dealing with unsavory characters stand in the way of making money (and I mean this both directions, from the perspectives of the companies involved here). But keep in mind who has a vested interest in the status quo and who would get burned if the Pegasos could be bought with AOS. At least one of the principals in the Amiga triad would get badly hurt, and could probably stop any port of AOS in the present situation.

Another factor motivating bbrv could be the idea that the current Amiga, Inc. management just deserves to go down, something many people believe, it seems. Reading Bill McEwen's statements in the court documents, it's hard for me to figure how the guy could ever be taken seriously. He has only a slim grasp of the facts even of his own company, and demonstrates an amazingly flippant attitude considering the situation he's in. Apparently investors and would-be business partners have gotten the same impression. I agree that there are probably egos at least somewhat in the way on both sides, but after hearing how various people have been rebuffed by Amiga management when trying to do business, it isn't at all surprising to me that Genesi never reached an agreement with them about AOS on Pegasos.

-- gary_c  

[HMetal]

This will be my first and last reply to this thread, so you can direct flames and incessant blather to >NULL:

1.If you are of the opinion that this is over, you're wrong.
2 If you believe this nonsense of Buck's regarding AmigaOS, you both live in the same ethereal fantasy world.
3. The sleeping giant is about to awake.
4. Stay tuned for the rest of the show. (I've got my popcorn, how's your stash?  Oh, and make sure you get extra butter. ;-)

See you (my friends) in the usual places.. :-)

[uncharted]

cecilia wrote:

this entire situation has always given me a headache! Fighting is never good. And i'm not talking about civilized disagreements!
but all the hating and mudslinging is a giant turn-off!

I wasn't paying much attention for the last few years because I was busy with my career, but this past year I've begun to notice and i'm amazed there are any amiga users left!!!

this crap has just GOT to stop. As i said before, we need to look out for each other and stop hoping for a savior. Do you really think the head of ANY company really cares about YOU personally?

I've been saying this for years (yes literal years).  But Amiga users tend to  take any opportunity to get behind a banner and blindly follow someone or something.  The level of hatred and zelotry about is astounding.

I begged for co-operation in the beginning, and have hoped for peace all along, but it has become plain that it's all driven by egos, and no-one is (wo)man enough to admit "well actually I was wrong".  Many people tend to blame either Bill Buck or Amiga Inc. for the situation, but frankly it's something that has been going on for years, long before either entered the scene.

The only good thing about the current split is that AOS 4 is closer to what I want than MOS (yes - I've tried both before deciding, no - I don't give a flying about "the name"). I'm not sure if I'd of liked OS4 based on MOS, but then again I'd of liked the opportunity to of found out.

I know no one gives a rat's A55 about me!

Amiga.org loves you  :-)

we can only care for each other. so lets get on the ball and do the right things. if you can program, do something great for other amiga users. That's why I write those HowTo's. I will never get anything ($) for doing them, but it's the right thing to do!
isn't THAT the "Amiga way"

That's the spirit, and it's appreciated.  How about writing a "How to stop being a total plum?", there are many indivduals (of all opinions) that could really do with it. :-D

I've tried to GFX stuff for the community over the years, I've done web-design and other stuff.  My current project is a new IRC client (freeware of course).

More lines of code/information/help, than lines of bile is what's required.  Anyone want to take up the challenge?

[Damion]

HMetal that's some interesting news...if A-INC actually is about to
start "rockin' it RSN"...then that's great...more power to ya
guys, and good luck.

[takemehomegrandma]

HMetal wrote:
3. The sleeping giant is about to awake.

Which one of them, fleecy or mcbill? Wake me up in just another two weeks then ...

 :roll:

[restore2003]

lol, this cant be true, or? :-o

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/98324

[IonDeluxe]

@takemehomegrandma

Your recitation of events is anything but accurate.

What will happen next?

1. Genesi will enforce the "upgrade" clauses to AmigaOS 4.2 and beyond.
2. The Hyperion/Eyetech OS 4.0 Agreement will be declared "null and void and of no force or effect."
3. We will sublicense under the Agreement and the ruling.

We are so tired of some of the "idiots" in this community.

It is time to end all this.

R&B

BBRV wishes to void the contracts between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion/eyetech.

Once that it done he want s to force both of them to use his hardware, and if they dont then hyperion gets no lisence and niether does Eyetech get OS4.
"Uniting" is done through convincing people to choose to work together from a number of options. What Bill Buck desires to do is force these companies into doing things his way or not at all. This is called Tyranny.Nor is this "co-operating" with the community as he has said he wants to do many many m,any times over.

If Amiga Inc couldn't have it all, they would have to divide it to save and protect what could be saved for themselves

Hmm the contract with Hyperion and Eyetech. Eyetech gets the hardware, Hyperion gets the OS and Amiga Inc gets thier AA player.Everyone gets a piece of the pie.
This is called sharing.

"It's not Amiga" and other mantra's

here is another : "fast Amigalike experience"
and another : "functional amigalike operating system"

When they were loosing grounds in the traditional Amiga community forums, the same people ran off to create amigaworld.net, this virtual Berlin wall, to even further separate "the pure part" of the community from the rest. This is not working for unity IMHO, this is working for the benefits of Amiga Inc.

Hmm so people leaving a place(be it in cyberspace or real life) to avoid persecution, harassment, constant attacks upon thier beliefs and choices are likened to racists.I wonder what the Jews would say about that.
I find that the people who sream loudest about descrimination of any form are most often those perpetrating descrimination.

This is not working for unity IMHO, this is working for the benefits of Genesi.

Bill Buck's own words just reinforce and support what I have been saying all along, he does not desire unity, he does not want cooperation he wants the entire community, and he will attempt to crush, or drive off anyone that stands in his way.

[Damion]

@restore2003

No, not true. DaveP is a fantastic debater however, which
is probably why some people get riled up and post sh!t about
him.



 

[takemehomegrandma]

@ IonDeluxe

Whatever man, whatever. It doesn't matter what you (or me) say here anyway.

Whatever happens, I'll just sit back here and watch it happen now! :-)

[T_Bone]

IonDeluxe wrote:
Once that it done he want s to force both of them to use his hardware, and if they dont then hyperion gets no lisence and niether does Eyetech get OS4.

I know this is kind of offtopic, but how come it's OK for a consumer to be forced to use specific hardware, but it's tyranny when a business must do so?

Hell, I'd be just as happy to have hardware removed from the picture entirely.

[Rogue]

T_Bone wrote:

I know this is kind of offtopic, but how come it's OK for a consumer to be forced to use specific hardware, but it's tyranny when a business must do so?

Is that supposed to be ironic, or are you really saying that?

Do you have an AmigaOne? No? Then how come you are forced to use a specific hardware? NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BUY AN AMIGAONE. It's an offer. Take it, or do not take it. Apple does it the same way. Even Microsoft (or does Windows XP run on a 68k Amiga? I don't think so).

You might want to ask Apple why they have chosen to go this way and produce OS X for Apple-branded machines only. The point is that the producer of a software decides which platform it runs on.

Hell, I'd be just as happy to have hardware removed from the picture entirely.

And then what? Run it on thin air? I'm sorry to tell you, since it obviously escapes your attention, but computer programs usually *do* run on hardware, so it is kind of difficult to remove it from the picture.

Alternatively, you are one of the deluded few that think that Operating systems just port themselves to a different platform. I can assure you that this is wrong (I've tried putting the OS 4 CD next to my Mac and guess what - nothing happened).

So pray, how do you intent to "have hardware removed from the picture entirely".

[that_punk_guy]

HMetal wrote:
This will be my first and last reply to this thread, so you can direct flames and incessant blather to >NULL:

1.If you are of the opinion that this is over, you're wrong.
2 If you believe this nonsense of Buck's regarding AmigaOS, you both live in the same ethereal fantasy world.
3. The sleeping giant is about to awake.
4. Stay tuned for the rest of the show. (I've got my popcorn, how's your stash?  Oh, and make sure you get extra butter. ;-)

See you (my friends) in the usual places.. :-)

Somewhat cowardly, dropping flamebait and then running.

:-?