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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #44 from previous page: June 27, 2015, 07:46:46 PM »
I don't really get the Mist disign, as it looks like it doesn't have enough memory.
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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2015, 08:55:27 AM »
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I can't tell if you are being facetious,you totally missed my point, or if you are serious.

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A common goal is great if it can be done . . . I get it!

I was serious . . .  (never mess with someone that has the skills)  The recreation of a A1000 mobo is great, but what if you don't have the tech skills or time to buy a board and parts to do it yourself?

Can one be purchased ready to rock?  And what about expansions?  Can it be done for a reasonable cost (not cheap I know).

I'm curious . . .
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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2015, 09:19:07 AM »
On the Amiga 30 party in Amsterdam has Jens annonces the Amiga Reloaded. He has bought all Custom chips from over the world.

It will fit in an Amiga 500 and Amiga  1200 case.
 

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2015, 03:10:34 PM »
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A common goal is great if it can be done . . . I get it!

I was serious . . .  (never mess with someone that has the skills)  The recreation of a A1000 mobo is great, but what if you don't have the tech skills or time to buy a board and parts to do it yourself?

Can one be purchased ready to rock?  And what about expansions?  Can it be done for a reasonable cost (not cheap I know).

I'm curious . . .

The point i was trying to make is if one man can design this,imagine what could of been done if all of the amiga community got behind making new boards with better features. Granted you can only go so far with real 060's but a board with 060,ram,sata(scsi or ide or whatever) with fast usb and ethernet local to the cpu,all in one would make for a reliable machine and no need for a accelerator(although the flot could be left there for later fpga addon or whatever).

To answer your questions, no they were a project you had to build. He also made a 060 card for it and it had ide. he also engineered a picassoII gfx card for it among other things. the pcboards themselves were not very costly.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.gb97816.homepage.t-online.de/&prev=search

http://www.illuwatar.se/project_pages/gba1000/gba1000.htm
 

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2015, 05:24:38 PM »
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The point i was trying to make is if one man can design this,imagine what could of been done if all of the amiga community got behind making new boards with better features. Granted you can only go so far with real 060's but a board with 060,ram,sata(scsi or ide or whatever) with fast usb and ethernet local to the cpu,all in one would make for a reliable machine and no need for a accelerator(although the flot could be left there for later fpga addon or whatever).

To answer your questions, no they were a project you had to build. He also made a 060 card for it and it had ide. he also engineered a picassoII gfx card for it among other things. the pcboards themselves were not very costly.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.gb97816.homepage.t-online.de/&prev=search

http://www.illuwatar.se/project_pages/gba1000/gba1000.htm


I understood that, its just getting them all to work together . . . Amiga-land would have it made - extra sweet.  A new machine created like that would do me for a long time . . . Here's to dreaming of co-operation, because reality sucks . . .

I checked out the project some time ago.  Nice with a 060 . . .  But not available ready made.  I was hoping that someone had better news than me . . .
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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2015, 07:58:49 PM »
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Wouldn't owning an Amiga 1200/4000/CD 32 solve your problem?


Until the old hardware starts to die on you. I think that new AGA compatible hardware would keep the retro hardware community alive for a lot longer.
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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2015, 08:02:39 PM »
Quote from: mechy;791613
The c64 is big in europe and uk etc still. Sadly not as much in the USA,but my c64 from 1983 is still going,and i have kept my 128dcr's etc.
Why reinvent the wheel. there are plenty of working aga amigas out there needing a good home,and if you shop smart they can be had for reasonable prices.
  It amazes me how much time and effort people spend trying to get around the real stuff out there.
I see A4000's go for reasonable prices on ebay and the worst case they might need caps to make them reliable-just avoid ones with battery damage. add a cf for a hd  and away you go.


I wanted an A4000 to replace my old A4000/030 that I sold when I really needed the money. I've purchased 5 different A4000D and an A4000T - they all had hardware problems and ultimately ended up in booting to a colored screen. No matter of cleaning or basic maintenance would get them back and functional. I assume they needed new capacitors, which is beyond my soldering ability. The cost to have them repaired was high. I sold them for parts and fortunately recouped most of the money paid.

The bottom line is, even with how well engineered Amiga hardware was, there is an end of life on all of it. It really seems like there must be some market for an AGA retro hardware solution that would offer good compatibility, modern video output and USB.

I might be dreaming but it just seems like there must be a market worldwide.
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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2015, 08:14:43 PM »
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It would be nice if they could come up with something like miniMIG AGA.  Could they not use at least the 030 and FPGA for custom chips?
My 4000 is dead and it is too expensive to replace. All of them had the same battery damage.

Yes, it would be nice.


My experience too. I wanted an A4000 really badly to replace my old one. They all managed to get them to boot up long enough to get screen shots, sell them to me, and then they arrived and all had boot problems. I was a fool enough times trying to get a functional unit.

I would pay for an AGA hardware based system that ran classic AmigaOS.

I'd also pay separately for a copy of the current AmigaOS that ran on x86 hardware.

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2015, 08:20:52 PM »
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Just get a real Amiga and be done with it.  If you don't have the money save up for it.  I would spend my hard earned money on REAL Amiga hardware vs some hacked micro computer that is pretty much worthless and has zero monetary value after purchased.

Rich


I have an A1200 that I enjoy with 030, CDROM, HDD but it won't live forever and it has no modern output or input ports so if my multi-sync CTX monitor dies I'll be stuck with the old 1084S in the closet.

A lot of the old hardware is dying over time and finding someone to fix it is costly. I would think more costly than buying a new AGA compatible system. I could be wrong.

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2015, 11:06:35 PM »
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I wanted an A4000 to replace my old A4000/030 that I sold when I really needed the money. I've purchased 5 different A4000D and an A4000T - they all had hardware problems and ultimately ended up in booting to a colored screen. No matter of cleaning or basic maintenance would get them back and functional. I assume they needed new capacitors, which is beyond my soldering ability. The cost to have them repaired was high. I sold them for parts and fortunately recouped most of the money paid.

The bottom line is, even with how well engineered Amiga hardware was, there is an end of life on all of it. It really seems like there must be some market for an AGA retro hardware solution that would offer good compatibility, modern video output and USB.

I might be dreaming but it just seems like there must be a market worldwide.


the aga chipset is quite robust even being old, not much fails in 4000s other than caps,ram etc-battery damage is also a bad one. All the ttl level chips can still be bought from places like mouser etc. having a motherboard and 3640 capped runs under $100 so that doesnt seem crazy to me. It sounds like you gave up due to lack of experience. Sadly all the info to make these machines go is on the net. I am confident i have enough parts and such for my 4000's to easily outlive me.
We have the code to make new pals/gals etc for most machines like the 3000 and some accelerators.
The programmable parts will usually fail before the major chipset,just because PLD's/eproms/fpga/cpld/microcontrollers etc can suffer from bit rot and lose their contents.Even so i think you can expect 20 years or more from them.

The one other common failure on the 4lk is on the 3640 accelerator, when a cap leaks it often eats a trace under the cap. its not too hard to fix usually. Of course there are the variables of what stupid people do to these machines to damage them. I have seen some carnage caused by people who shouldn't be messing in hardware but didnt have the sense to realize it.

You will find these old Hmos/Nmos chips will likely go on 60+ years.. the c64 is already over 32+ years old
 

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2015, 08:34:47 PM »
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the aga chipset is quite robust even being old, not much fails in 4000s other than caps,ram etc-battery damage is also a bad one. All the ttl level chips can still be bought from places like mouser etc. having a motherboard and 3640 capped runs under $100 so that doesnt seem crazy to me. It sounds like you gave up due to lack of experience. Sadly all the info to make these machines go is on the net. I am confident i have enough parts and such for my 4000's to easily outlive me.


Well let's see, I didn't see anything that looked like battery leakage but I imagine it can be hard to detect if well cleaned. All batteries had been removed and nothing looked to be discolored like pictures I've seen of leakage. I built my own power supply with a modern power supply with correct A4000D power connector to test to make sure it wasn't a power supply issue. I replaced the RAM, I had a box of the correct SIMMs from other systems. Did a general cleaning and made certain all the socketed chips were seated properly, etc. So I guess, sure I stopped from lack of experience on what other components to swap that were readily available. I don't know where you are getting the motherboard and 3640 re-capped for $100 but all the places that I checked with wanted a lot more than that. I had sent an accelerator card to France once and spent a big chunk of change to get back a board that didn't work. I suspect that a recap is what was required.

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The one other common failure on the 4lk is on the 3640 accelerator, when a cap leaks it often eats a trace under the cap. its not too hard to fix usually. Of course there are the variables of what stupid people do to these machines to damage them. I have seen some carnage caused by people who shouldn't be messing in hardware but didnt have the sense to realize it.


I always stay within the frame of what I know how to do and not to do. I wouldn't try to replace capacitors or repair a trace without additional training. My soldering is limited to tinning leads for joining wires and joining copper pipe fittings. Wouldn't dream of damaging an old system by going beyond that.

I also think that there are a lot of people out there that enjoy the retro Amiga scene or at least watch to see where it's at that would not at all be interested in doing board level repairs. I still think that they are a valuable addition to the community but this might just point to the need for a source of retro AGA hardware. I hope Jens can come through and make a modern AGA motherboard with his stock of AGA chips.

Quote from: mechy;792444

You will find these old Hmos/Nmos chips will likely go on 60+ years.. the c64 is already over 32+ years old


The C64 also just got a brand new motherboard made for it so that you can populate the new board with chips. This is a great refresh and is something that I think Amiga desperately needs. I've got my fingers crossed that Jens can pull off some form of AGA motherboard with modern video output, I/O(USB), and SATA support. That would be amazing and certainly extend the lifespan of retro Amiga hardware for those of us who are good technicians but not hobbyist electrical engineers. ;^)

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2015, 07:33:07 AM »
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I don't know where you are getting the motherboard and 3640 re-capped for $100 but all the places that I checked with wanted a lot more than that. I had sent an accelerator card to France once and spent a big chunk of change to get back a board that didn't work. I suspect that a recap is what was required.

It was about 100 bucks from Amigakit, sent off my motherboard and 3640 to them and it's been running awesomely ever since, well minus the funky OS side things I've done to it ;)

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2015, 04:41:52 PM »
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You may be interested in the MiST FPGA too (= Minimig with bigger FPGA


I'm a bit confused about what FPGA baord this is.

I'd been assuming that this was reference to the MilkyMist FPGA board
http://m-labs.hk/m1.html

But just doing a google brought back a different board, without the Milky at the front...
http://harbaum.org/till/mist/index.shtml


I understand that someone has an AGA updated Minimig, which I again had thought was for the MilkyMist, but perhaps its for the Mist board (NOT for Milkymist)


Can you help clarify which one would be correct to run Amiga stuff on, particularly for AGA?
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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2015, 04:45:19 PM »
If you don't want software emulation, and if you don't want FPGA reimplementations, then perhaps this is more for you:

Jens's Amiga Reloaded project:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=1028046
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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2015, 05:46:18 PM »
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I'm a bit confused about what FPGA baord this is.

I'd been assuming that this was reference to the MilkyMist FPGA board
http://m-labs.hk/m1.html

But just doing a google brought back a different board, without the Milky at the front...
http://harbaum.org/till/mist/index.shtml


I understand that someone has an AGA updated Minimig, which I again had thought was for the MilkyMist, but perhaps its for the Mist board (NOT for Milkymist)


Can you help clarify which one would be correct to run Amiga stuff on, particularly for AGA?


http://harbaum.org/till/mist/index.shtml

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Re: Am I really alone in wanting an Amiga AGA compatible?
« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2015, 06:48:44 PM »
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It was about 100 bucks from Amigakit, sent off my motherboard and 3640 to them and it's been running awesomely ever since, well minus the funky OS side things I've done to it ;)

slaapliedje


   Sounds like you got lucky, I've read too many posts about waiting and waiting for items to come back from repair from them.  $100 is certainly a reasonable fee to re-cap both the motherboard and the 3640 though.

   I am glad that it worked out for you.

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