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Offline kolla

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #59 from previous page: June 09, 2015, 05:01:01 PM »
How will the zorro3 slots work with a "deaccelerator"?
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A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
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Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2015, 06:02:27 PM »
Quote from: kolla;790857
How will the zorro3 slots work with a "deaccelerator"?

As usual. Decelerator 4030 will be a full-featured A3000/A4000 local bus master (and a slave for the purpose of Z3 DMA).
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Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2015, 07:18:32 PM »
Full featured with a 68030?
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

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Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2015, 07:57:21 PM »
Quote from: kolla;790862
Full featured with a 68030?

Yes, why would that be a problem? If you look closely at the local bus expansion slot in A3000 and A4000, it's just a 68030 bus plus some additional signals.

In fact, 68030 is a better Zorro III bus master than 68040 or 68060. As far as I know, there are no existing implementations of 68040/68060 accelerators that can do burst to Zorro III space. While 68030-based cards do this without problems (since no additional logic is needed on the CPU card).

This is one of the reasons why cards like ZorRAM perform best while driven by 68030 :).
 

Offline trekiej

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2015, 11:15:50 PM »
I want a new motherboard in an A1200, A600 or A500 chassis.
FPGA would be fine to me.
The A1200 chassis may be the best.
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #64 on: June 09, 2015, 11:32:52 PM »
You know, while we're at it wishing for "dream hardware", I wish there was a simple way to just "start up production again" on some of the old stuff that's already been made in the past.  You know, like A500 sidecars, internal accelerators, accelerators for the big box systems, etc.  Why re-invent the wheel, right?  This stuff is already out there, it's proven, and someone, somewhere, has the blueprints or plans to make them.

And then there's software, too.   There's a lot of really good software from back in the day, could "fairly easily" be updated with a few minor tweaks and patches, and start being sold again.

Sure, none of this stuff would make a fortune, but most of the development work is already done.  Why not continue to get paid for it?

Too bad the person that usually has the plans for the hardware or software is usually either (a) some greedy b*#tard, or (b) completely apathetic toward what's left of the Amiga community.  Why can't Amiga attract more normal folks to develop for it, right?  :roflmao:
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Offline QuikSanz

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2015, 11:55:45 PM »
Well GVP did make another run for Software Hut Before SH closed down. Someone call them?

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Offline trekiej

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2015, 01:00:56 AM »
Any reason why the old schematics could not make its way to a board manufacturer?
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Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2015, 02:44:18 AM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;790878
You know, while we're at it wishing for "dream hardware", I wish there was a simple way to just "start up production again" on some of the old stuff that's already been made in the past.  You know, like A500 sidecars, internal accelerators, accelerators for the big box systems, etc.  Why re-invent the wheel, right?  This stuff is already out there, it's proven, and someone, somewhere, has the blueprints or plans to make them.

And then there's software, too.   There's a lot of really good software from back in the day, could "fairly easily" be updated with a few minor tweaks and patches, and start being sold again.

Sure, none of this stuff would make a fortune, but most of the development work is already done.  Why not continue to get paid for it?

Too bad the person that usually has the plans for the hardware or software is usually either (a) some greedy b*#tard, or (b) completely apathetic toward what's left of the Amiga community.  Why can't Amiga attract more normal folks to develop for it, right?  :roflmao:


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Offline kolla

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2015, 06:50:27 AM »
Quote from: strim;790867
Yes, why would that be a problem? If you look closely at the local bus expansion slot in A3000 and A4000, it's just a 68030 bus plus some additional signals.

In fact, 68030 is a better Zorro III bus master than 68040 or 68060. As far as I know, there are no existing implementations of 68040/68060 accelerators that can do burst to Zorro III space. While 68030-based cards do this without problems (since no additional logic is needed on the CPU card).

This is one of the reasons why cards like ZorRAM perform best while driven by 68030 :).


Did you read the posting you were replying to? How does a 030 CPU card help "degrading" an A4000 to an A1200, let alone an A500, for playing games?
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

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Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2015, 06:56:19 AM »
Why not remake of old cards?

Consumer electronics has moved on...
* what used to be 5V components are now typically 3V components.
* what used to be big components are now much, much smaller
* RHOS requirements

This, and more I am sure, adds up so that redesign is only option.
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2015, 07:12:05 AM »
The RHOS is the dealbreaker, I think.  I've heard that quoted before as a reason why this couldn't happen.  Still it's damned depressing, if you ask me.  :(
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Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #71 on: June 10, 2015, 07:39:56 AM »
Quote from: kolla;790895
Did you read the posting you were replying to? How does a 030 CPU card help "degrading" an A4000 to an A1200, let alone an A500, for playing games?

You could have been more elaborate in your post. Obviously, the processor itself can not degrade anything else. What am I doing here is just WHDload-optimized CPU card.
 

Offline trekiej

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2015, 04:29:37 PM »
What do we want our Amiga to be?
1. Hand held
2. Tablet
3. Desktop
4. Server
5. Super Computing Platform
I think a new Amiga would have to be based on a new paradigm.
Was the Amiga based on a new concept or just expanded on an existing one?
Also, what do you think about the video slot in an A2000?
If a new Amiga had one would it be useful?
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I would like to design a 68K computer. This would not have to be an Amiga.
Maybe a home grown bit-plane system could be used.
Is it possible to put a bit-plane layer over chunky layer.
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I would like to propose a one and two FPGA chip platform.
If some one wanted to, they could make their own CPU ISA on one chip and a bit-plane system on the other.
Or, they could use a single chip design and reload it as it improves.
I have seen some FPGA design boards that look like a computer main board.
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I believe that their open cpu cores out there.
If an new Amiga 2000 was available and one could buy add-in cards for it, would people flock to it?
Thanks.
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Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2015, 05:12:11 PM »
@Kolla
030 is too fast for A500, but I am pretty happy about a new 'variable' speed accelerator card for high end Amiga.
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Hardware I would like
« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2015, 05:39:00 PM »
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030 is too fast for A500

There's no such thing as "too fast".  Give me an '060 for my A500, Kthxbai.  ;)

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