Is Amiga NG underpowered?

[eliyahu]

I prefer OS4 over MOS because the OS3 look&feel on PPC, not because of it's name.

gotta agree with you. i don't know how the meme of OS4 is only because of 'the name' got started, but it's nonsense, at least for me. i have AROS, MOS, and AOS4 machines -- but use AOS4 nearly all of the time because i enjoy using it more. i wouldn't care what they called it.

-- eliyahu

[Iggy]

I prefer OS4 over MOS because the OS3 look&feel on PPC, not because of it's name.

As you develop under AROS, that doesn't surprise me Staf.
OS4 and AROS both have a look and feel similar to OS3.1.

Since I'm not wedded to that, I prefer Ambient.
Beyond that, MorphOS has a range of feature that OS4 doesn't match.
AROS on the other hand comes closer.

[kolla]

My complaint is that none of the so called NG systems are worth calling NG, there really is no generation gap between them and OS3.x, everything is essencially still the same. I wish at least one of "NG" options would have guts to move on and create a modern alternative, but it seems that noone is interested.

[ElPolloDiabl]

My complaint is that none of the so called NG systems are worth calling NG, there really is no generation gap between them and OS3.x, everything is essencially still the same. I wish at least one of "NG" options would have guts to move on and create a modern alternative, but it seems that noone is interested.

There was Amithlon. AROS could evolve into something different. There are lots of projects, but there are not enough developers.

[Iggy]

My complaint is that none of the so called NG systems are worth calling NG, there really is no generation gap between them and OS3.x, everything is essencially still the same. I wish at least one of "NG" options would have guts to move on and create a modern alternative, but it seems that noone is interested.

That is an interesting opinion.
The primary reason I have stuck with MorphOS is the differences.
To me, Ambient is a significant improvement.
As is focusing on OpenGL compatibility instead of trying to continue to develop Warp3D.
And Reggae for media streaming is definately a change.

So, I can see significant differences.
In fact, those look and feel changes are what often get us flack from the rest of the community, but I favor those enhancements.

Hey, I am hoping that when MorphOS splits into seperate ISA paths that the new project moves further away from our roots.
Primarily because I rarely use any legacy software these days, and when I do it is purely for nostalgic reasons.

[KimmoK]

Is Amiga NG underpowered and that is why I don't want to buy one?
Any chance of us moving to an ARM platform?

IMO:
-our current PowerPC HW is powerfull enough for the SW that we have
-our current PowerPC HW is "only" too expensive (vs performance) or out of production
-ARM does not provide more power vs PowerPC, x86 does

To get good performance at low end we perhaps should have:
-200eur PPC system (doable as servergy once calculated, 2-4core at 1,4Ghz would be OK)
-use existing HW, like RPi2, but it's slower than our current PPC HW, especially without 3D drivers
-use some x86 design that is available for longer (than normal 3month production) periode
-develop multicore support (it would double the performance of x1000 system or x5000 system, on RPi2 it would boost the speed almost 4x)

( Initially, as I do not control the leading Amiga flavors (Aos4 or morphOS) I personally should focus in helping affordable PPC HW to market. Trying to, actually, but lack of time & focus...)

[danbeaver]

I suppose that the IBM POWER8, (64-bit, hex or twelve core, 8 way SMT/core, 5.0 GHz, follows the Power ISA 2.07. Introduced in 2014)  just would never be able to catch up with speed of the ARM cpu.  I guess I'm just the old dog never able to learn new tricks.

[Iggy]

I suppose that the IBM POWER8, (64-bit, hex or twelve core, 8 way SMT/core, 5.0 GHz, follows the Power ISA 2.07. Introduced in 2014)  just would never be able to catch up with speed of the ARM cpu.  I guess I'm just the old dog never able to learn new tricks.

I would expect it to exceed ARM's performance, but again at what price?

[OlafS3]

I suppose that the IBM POWER8, (64-bit, hex or twelve core, 8 way SMT/core, 5.0 GHz, follows the Power ISA 2.07. Introduced in 2014)  just would never be able to catch up with speed of the ARM cpu.  I guess I'm just the old dog never able to learn new tricks.

are you serious about using POWER8 processors for a home desktop enduser computer? :confused:

There are some who have much too much money obviously...

[guest11527]

My complaint is that none of the so called NG systems are worth calling NG, there really is no generation gap between them and OS3.x, everything is essencially still the same. I wish at least one of "NG" options would have guts to move on and create a modern alternative, but it seems that noone is interested.

If you want something substantially different, there is Linux. Or Windows. Or IOS. Runs on modern hardware, pretty powerful, avoids a lot of the design problems of AmigaOs. NG is just incompatible enough to 3.x to be uninteresting, but not incompatible enough to be modern.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

are you serious about using POWER8 processors for a home desktop enduser computer? :confused:

Well, it would solve the "my processor is bigger/faster/better than yours" debate, at least for a hot minute.  

[OlafS3]

Well, it would solve the "my processor is bigger/faster/better than yours" debate, at least for a hot minute.  

:lol:

at least for some time

5.0 Ghz sounds not bad indeed but for the price of one you can propably buy a whole server farm. IBM is known for a lot but not for low prices

[TheBilgeRat]

... NG is just incompatible enough to 3.x to be uninteresting, but not incompatible enough to be modern.

This.

[biggun]

I suppose that the IBM POWER8, (64-bit, hex or twelve core, 8 way SMT/core, 5.0 GHz .

You forgot this is only per chip.
I only have a puny little tiny Power 8.
Only 160 V-cores and only 512 Gigabyte main memory.


processor       : 151
cpu             : POWER8 (architected), altivec supported
clock           : 4116.000000MHz
revision        : 2.1 (pvr 004b 0201)

timebase        : 512000000
platform        : pSeries
model           : IBM,8284-22A
machine         : CHRP IBM,8284-22A


Just a little system.
But is AMIGA OS supporting it?

[guest11527]

You forgot this is only per chip.
I only have a puny little tiny Power 8.
Only 160 V-cores and only 512 Gigabyte main memory.
But is AMIGA OS supporting it?

Well... just a completely different business... nothing for my living room. (-: But that's the kind of stuff our colleagues from the high performance computing center have to offer. Even though, we don't have any POWERs here:  http://www.hlrs.de/systems/platforms/  It's basically all x86 based hardware, except for an NVIDIA cluster. Oh, and an old bench in our lobby, which was a Cray until it was taken out of service. Still works nicely. As a bench, of course.

[danbeaver]

I thought we were discussing how under powered the PPC CPU and its architecture were...   Not the price.