Commodore Business Machines live again !

[OlafS3]

@OlafS3

it sure seems that way. at first i figured something wasn't quite right since i couldn't imagine paolo being involved with something that wasn't on the 'up and up,' but then we have his statement on AWN, cloanto's sudden insertion into the whole thing, and... i don't know what to think.

if nothing else it shows that there are folks who feel the AROS kickstart replacement ROMs are solid enough for commercial purposes. that's a good sign, at least.

-- eliyahu

one benefit at last and free of copyright... I hate all those "closed" or "copyright" fuss

[Blizz1220]

Also the fact that some of those press releases have
legal aspects to them but most people try to simplify
them and just want to know "who is Commodore now and
what have they been doing all these years".

Regardless of the phone I like CBM as a company now if
for nothing else a moral principle.It all came down to how
people react to "legal" aspects of things.Some asked for
permissions (where there was no need) , others dropped
projects.If Commodore Corp said they will sue you if you
make T-Shirt you might decide not to but what would you
do if they wanted your house and car instead ? Would you
just hand over keys to whomever ?

[gertsy]

Also the fact that some of those press releases have
legal aspects to them but most people try to simplify
them and just want to know "who is Commodore now and
what have they been doing all these years".

Regardless of the phone I like CBM as a company now if
for nothing else a moral principle.It all came down to how
people react to "legal" aspects of things.Some asked for
permissions (where there was no need) , others dropped
projects.If Commodore Corp said they will sue you if you
make T-Shirt you might decide not to but what would you
do if they wanted your house and car instead ? Would you
just hand over keys to whomever ?

I Agree.!

[OlafS3]

on amigaworld someone speculates about that Cloanto tries to hinder the commercial use of Aros rom replacements

my answer:
Reverse engineering is permitted, there is even a windows clone reverse engineering windows and Microsoft certainly has good attorneys. They will never come through with it if they try to go against use of aros rom replacements. But it can be that they want to stay exclusive resource for commercial amiga emulation and are not happy. Perhaps others will become aware of Aros rom replacements then too and noone needing Amiga forever anymore.

[Blizz1220]

Reverse engineering is allowed in some countries while it's now
allowed in others.Also , depends on what you are reverse engineering ,
if it's patented or copyrighted in US than it's now allowed but was
known to happen.

Fact that Microsoft didn't sue doesn't mean it won't if Windows clone
ever becomes a threat.Press misquoted (as usual) what Cloanto had
to say.Cloanto said that it has nothing to do with CBM and it's emulation
offering.

Important to notice here is that emulators on smartphone are not easily
confused with Amiga or C64 Forever nor are in direct competition.

[OlafS3]

Reverse engineering is allowed in some countries while it's now
allowed in others.Also , depends on what you are reverse engineering ,
if it's patented or copyrighted in US than it's now allowed but was
known to happen.

Fact that Microsoft didn't sue doesn't mean it won't if Windows clone
ever becomes a threat.Press misquoted (as usual) what Cloanto had
to say.Cloanto said that it has nothing to do with CBM and it's emulation
offering.

Important to notice here is that emulators on smartphone are not easily
confused with Amiga or C64 Forever nor are in direct competition.

I have just searched for the original text... so it can be seen so. The only thing I wonder why at all (at least amiga related)

the situation around the C64 roms seems even more confusing and there are no reimplementations/replacements

LAS VEGAS - Aug. 15, 2015 - PRLog  -- Cloanto Corporation is the holder of the international copyrights  for all copyrighted and copyrightable works created by the original  Commodore/Amiga companies up to 1993, as recorded at the United States  Copyright Office. These include ROM, operating system, boot code,  application software, documentation, multimedia and other components as  included in licensed packages such as Amiga Forever and C64 Forever.

Recently,  some publications and news agencies reported that "Commodore Business  Machines Ltd" (United Kingdom) might be selling, planning to sell or  collecting money for orders of smartphone devices that claim to include  software emulations of the PET, C64 and Amiga computers.

For the  avoidance of doubt, Cloanto hereby confirms that it has not granted any  rights to said UK company for bundling or otherwise distributing the  original, copyrighted ROM and OS software code used by the PET, C64 and  Amiga systems and their emulations.

[Blizz1220]

To emulate C64 you need BASIC.ROM and KERNAL.ROM at
least so it's pretty much same situation.Some emulators had
replacements (even going so far to state that these files won't
work on real machine for legal reasons).

[eliyahu]

on amigaworld someone speculates about that Cloanto tries to hinder the commercial use of Aros rom replacements

my answer:
Reverse engineering is permitted, there is even a windows clone reverse engineering windows and Microsoft certainly has good attorneys. They will never come through with it if they try to go against use of aros rom replacements. But it can be that they want to stay exclusive resource for commercial amiga emulation and are not happy. Perhaps others will become aware of Aros rom replacements then too and noone needing Amiga forever anymore.

i seriously doubt michael would object to the use of the AROS ROMs. more likely the issue is that cloanto don't know what will be included in the software image of the phone and they wanted to clarify that any purported emulation capability of either the amiga or C64 would have to be done without their intellectual property (unless licensed). it's probably just down to a lack of communication... at least i hope.

-- eliyahu

[OlafS3]

i seriously doubt michael would object to the use of the AROS ROMs. more likely the issue is that cloanto don't know what will be included in the software image of the phone and they wanted to clarify that any purported emulation capability of either the amiga or C64 would have to be done without their intellectual property (unless licensed). it's probably just down to a lack of communication... at least i hope.

-- eliyahu

I hope so too... up to now I have a positive view of them. Perhaps really a misinterpretation

[number6]

@thread

Podcast

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[number6]

@thread

Paolo confirms the phones have started shipping

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[Vlabguy1]

@thread

Paolo confirms the phones have started shipping

#6

And can anyone confirm which networks these phones are compatible with??

Rich