Pascal Users

[trekiej]

I need to check out Lazarus. I keep hearing about it.

[EugeneNine]

I try to search out and stick with the popular cross platform packages.  I learned years ago after going from Amiga to PC (windows) that as PC software comes and goes your data gets stuck.  Everything ported fine from the Amiga but later on I had some stuff in Microsoft publisher or Microsoft Money or Visio and the next release changed the file format and dropped support of the previous version.  So I had to have two versions side by side to be able to open both new and old files.  As I learned more and more and learned about open source packages such as OpenOffice, etc and moved my data there.  Then i was able to move from Windows to Linux without worrying about my data as it was all still workable in the same software.  I try to do the same here, what packages will work on Amiga, AROS, Linux so I can copy data/code from one to the other without issue.

[guest11527]

Fortran does not seem to be as mysterious as I had thought.

There is more than one Fortran. The language went through a couple of major changes over time. The earlier releases where quite frighting. You had to put line numbers, instructions etc. in specific columns on the screen - actually, on the punch cards. This is where the Fortran had its home.  Later releases of Fortran removed more and more such legacy requirements and tried to modernize the language.  Nowadays, the real strength of Fortran is that it has very strong library support for numerical mathematics (BLAS, to name one), and for that reason, it is still used a lot.

[eliyahu]

@trekiej

you might be interested in the presentation on fortran and the amiga by alan swithenbank from last year's amiwest. i really enjoyed it, and there's a youtube video of it, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9AT3iVZ5-Q

-- eliyahu

[trekiej]

Eugene nine:
I am not for sure how well the Amiga works with today's files. Maybe Aros has a better chance being on modern PC hardware. Linux seems to be able to go toe to toe in many areas.

Thomas R:
I guess I had my preconceived notions that Fortran needed Algebra,Trigonometry,Calculus, etc. to use.

eliyahu :
Thanks.

[trekiej]

Cobol anyone?

[nicholas]

Don't feel bad. I have an unhealthy obsession with writing Objective-C code on the Amiga. We all have things we like. I'm just trying to figure out a way to get the source off my NeXTStep machine to my Amiga and see if I can port the OpenStep version of Objective-C to the Amiga instead; it has some features above and beyond what is provided in 2.95.3

On a related note that you might be interested in:

MorphOS 3.10 new features includes "- Obj-C integration"

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11905&post_id=129871&viewmode=flat&sortorder=1&showonepost=1

[nicholas]

What would be nice if that Pascal programmers converts these tools to Amiga so porting Z80  source code to Amiga would be simpler.

Kamelito
http://files.programmersheaven.com/ASM/68000/z80conv/

Your link is currently down so I can't check it but if it's written in Pascal can't you just compile it with FPC?

https://blog.alb42.de/fpc-amigaaros-m68k/

[nicholas]

Anyway, it looks like FPC (Free Pascal) is available for classic Amiga (though a little older version)

You might not have seen this, version 3.1.1 of FPC is pretty much the latest version.

https://blog.alb42.de/fpc-amigaaros-m68k/

I keep meaning to dig out my old floppies of Turbo Pascal code from the early 90's and give it a whirl.

[Pat the Cat]

Cobol anyone?

No commercial releases that I'm aware of. There have been a few Amiga stabs at it from coders but the one or two I have seen have been quite limited, IIRC.

Amazing that there is still a demand for the coders. It was more designed to handle huge datasets than anything, requirements that didn't fit inside most eqiupment using punched cards.Tape system rather than cards, then later on  drives.  Might take you an age to prepare the data for the program to crunch it into something else. But you could set up a batch and leave it running.

Drives really changed it, in the sense of having some way to interrupt the data flow and computation. And it wasn't always that accurate computation, in  terms of producing "accurate" results at a given point in time. Kind of a built in lag with regards to the concept of time. It would get an accurate set of totalls, but not while the system was coming up with the answers.

[kolla]

How about Oberon?

http://aminet.net/package/dev/obero/Oberon
http://aminet.net/package/dev/obero/Oberon-NonFPU

[Pat the Cat]

How about Oberon?

http://aminet.net/package/dev/obero/Oberon
http://aminet.net/package/dev/obero/Oberon-NonFPU

Can't really offer an opinion. None of the links actually say what language it is. Or is a replacement Operating System? Looks that way. There is an Oberon ROM replacement listed for the Amiga.

Way after my time, never heard of it before. Couldn't even tell you what it does, and the people doing the documentation thought it was SO obvious, they didn't even write it down.

Or maybe they did, and I just missed it.

[guest11527]

Can't really offer an opinion. None of the links actually say what language it is. Or is a replacement Operating System?

That is an excellent question. Oberon is really both. It's a whole system, an operating system build around a language that is related to Modula (which is related to Pascal). It's Wirth's attempt to design a complete system.

Of course, as an operating system, completely irrelevant, and probably only taught at the ETH in Zurich, Switzerland.

Kinna like "emacs", which is an editor build around a lisp interpreter. Or the other way round, depending on your point of view.

[trekiej]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(programming_language)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_%28operating_system%29

It looks pretty cool.

If I understand correctly there is as many OSes as there are programming languages to put on them.