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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #449 from previous page: February 26, 2015, 08:57:42 PM »
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I can say that Arix is another "AROS hosted on a Linux" distro with all the other Linux bits stripped away, no package manager, no Gnome/KDE, etc.


Something like amithlon then in concept ?

Just asking as I have a hard time getting into the sentiment of Amithlon being a good AmigaOS and hosted AROS just being a Linux distro.
Amithlon is also just a Linux distro with everything thrown out and some m68k emulation put on top.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #450 on: February 26, 2015, 09:28:08 PM »
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Something like amithlon then in concept ?

Just asking as I have a hard time getting into the sentiment of Amithlon being a good AmigaOS and hosted AROS just being a Linux distro.
Amithlon is also just a Linux distro with everything thrown out and some m68k emulation put on top.

THAT is the difference: for double-standard-intel-outside folks, linux with 68k emulation != bare bones linux with AROS on top; wonder what an amithlon with AROS68k instead of AmigaOS could be called...

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #451 on: February 26, 2015, 09:39:00 PM »
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Something like amithlon then in concept ?

Just asking as I have a hard time getting into the sentiment of Amithlon being a good AmigaOS and hosted AROS just being a Linux distro.
Amithlon is also just a Linux distro with everything thrown out and some m68k emulation put on top.


Yep, that about sums it up.  This is why I too am not interested in Arix.  Arix is a great concept if you're an AROS application developer who doesn't care what's underneath the hood.  But native AROS/IcarosDesktop is much more appealing to me because it isn't Linux underneath.  If I wanted to run Linux, I'd just download and install one of the various Linux distros....and I have used Linux in the past but it's a real pain the @ass to use, especially if you upgrade your hardware periodically or use non-opensource video drivers.

There's also a performance hit when running AROS hosted on Linux.  All the AROS API calls have to be translated into Linux API calls first, so it adds another layer of complexity and overhead which again I don't find appealing.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #452 on: February 26, 2015, 10:55:48 PM »
OMG! Hyperion is bankrupt?
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #453 on: February 26, 2015, 11:21:44 PM »
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Yep, that about sums it up.  This is why I too am not interested in Arix.  Arix is a great concept if you're an AROS application developer who doesn't care what's underneath the hood.  But native AROS/IcarosDesktop is much more appealing to me because it isn't Linux underneath.  If I wanted to run Linux, I'd just download and install one of the various Linux distros....and I have used Linux in the past but it's a real pain the @ass to use, especially if you upgrade your hardware periodically or use non-opensource video drivers.

There's also a performance hit when running AROS hosted on Linux.  All the AROS API calls have to be translated into Linux API calls first, so it adds another layer of complexity and overhead which again I don't find appealing.

He was not understanding this view. Ok perhaps more a emotional thing like many other things in this community. But you hopefully do not use MacOS then because it is a kind of "Linux hosted" too. Linux hosted is a way to get a quick-fix for the problems with missing drivers, we can of course wait and hope another 20 years or use what is available. ARIX is not a simple linux hosted solution, they create a new kernel that is a merge of linux and Aros so it will be not a linux distribution but AROS using linux drivers for getting support of more hardware (something people often moaned about).
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #454 on: February 26, 2015, 11:26:50 PM »
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OMG! Hyperion is bankrupt?



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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #455 on: February 27, 2015, 12:19:32 PM »
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Something like amithlon then in concept ?

Just asking as I have a hard time getting into the sentiment of Amithlon being a good AmigaOS and hosted AROS just being a Linux distro.
Amithlon is also just a Linux distro with everything thrown out and some m68k emulation put on top.



To each their own tbh.    I for one as expected like the arix concept.    Would I call it a linux distro I don't know depends on if you classify android as a linux distro. :)
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #456 on: February 27, 2015, 01:44:35 PM »
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There's also a performance hit when running AROS hosted on Linux.  All the AROS API calls have to be translated into Linux API calls first, so it adds another layer of complexity and overhead which again I don't find appealing.


I this proven by benchmarks ? I would assume Linux drivers are much more optimised than native AROS drivers so I would assume ARIX to be faster than native AROS.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #457 on: February 27, 2015, 02:07:10 PM »
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I this proven by benchmarks ? I would assume Linux drivers are much more optimised than native AROS drivers so I would assume ARIX to be faster than native AROS.


Right, the overhead from API translation is non-issue. It is so small you cant measure it.

It is more like psychological issue, just like those CopyMemQuicker patches which make people believe the system is faster.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #458 on: February 27, 2015, 03:16:23 PM »
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I this proven by benchmarks ? I would assume Linux drivers are much more optimised than native AROS drivers so I would assume ARIX to be faster than native AROS.


Well that does bring up the another point.    I have actually been able to use the closed source display drivers without xwindows. :)
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #459 on: February 27, 2015, 03:33:42 PM »
@terrminills
are you going to tease us without end or are you ever going to release some stuff or at least some honest and precise information one day? you are of course entitled to whatever you like, as hyperion is, but these tactics look a bit too comparable for my taste.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #460 on: February 27, 2015, 03:45:22 PM »
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@terrminills
are you going to tease us without end or are you ever going to release some stuff or at least some honest and precise information one day? you are of course entitled to whatever you like, as hyperion is, but these tactics look a bit too comparable for my taste.



TBH I've never hidden where the builds are kept.   They are available to download whenever someone wants.  I just never advertised them either. :)   Now there are my own private builds which I don't upload often but I typically keep the stuff I'm playing with in the same place as gutenprint.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #461 on: February 27, 2015, 05:36:30 PM »
ah, so arix is freely available for download? didnt know that. gitorious branch doesnt seem very active. outta interest, is it possible do boot it from an usb thumb to see what gives? i think if people got in touch whats up, you could get some actual interest, feedback and therefore some current and even contributors?
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #462 on: February 27, 2015, 05:47:16 PM »
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ah, so arix is freely available for download? didnt know that. gitorious branch doesnt seem very active. outta interest, is it possible do boot it from an usb thumb to see what gives? i think if people got in touch whats up, you could get some actual interest, feedback and therefore some current and even contributors?


If you want to know how ARIX performs, just grab one of the other AROS hosted on Linux distros and give that a spin.  The only significant difference is that ARIX has most of the Linux non-essential bits removed such as the package manager, Gnome/KDE desktop manager, etc.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #463 on: February 27, 2015, 09:01:36 PM »
ok cant be bothered to read about 300 odd posts since i last looked at this thread.  could somone summarise the current situation for me please.  Have they sorted it or gone under ?
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #464 on: February 27, 2015, 09:14:33 PM »
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ok cant be bothered to read about 300 odd posts since i last looked at this thread.  could somone summarise the current situation for me please.  Have they sorted it or gone under ?

No change as yet:

 - They have been declared bankrupt;
 - They are appealing the decision.

The only deadline to have passed (26/2/15) is for Hyperion's creditors to register claims with the courts for the purposes of disbursing the proceeds of any liquidation of assets.

The next date of interest should be next Thursday (4/3/15) - Date of deposition of initial report for verification of said claims by the curator.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=39913&forum=14&start=500&viewmode=flat&order=0#752763
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=39913&forum=14&start=500&viewmode=flat&order=0#752778

NB These dates relate to the bankruptcy procedure, not the appeal.

Whilst the appeal had to be registered within 15 days of the initial ruling, I don't have any reliable information on how long the appeal process may take.
However since the bankruptcy process is quite fast moving, any appeals procedure would by necessity need to be expedient (otherwise there would be nothing left to resurrect for any 'normal' business).
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