Hyperion bankrupt?

[wawrzon]

We need to either get AmigaOS 3 back or fix AROS up for the 68k.

first one isnt an option, and second one is always being dismissed with disinterest, so it isnt looking good.

[Hans_]

In order to open source Amiga OS 3.x one would need the source.

Check you history; The entire source code for 3.x does not exist. It went missing somewhere in the Commodore labyrinth. This was one of the issues faced by the early AmigaOS 4 team. There was no "gold" code stored in a source repository. Bits and pieces here and there. Decompile this and reverse engineer that.

That's not completely true. AFAIK, parts of the source code for AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 weren't available to the AmigaOS 4 team (e.g., the fancy CD player, updated installer), but the source code for AmigaOS 3.1 was.

Here's a video generated from the AmigaOS source-code repository showing development from AmigaOS 1.0 in 1985 through to AmigaOS 4.1 update 2 in 2010. Clearly Commodore's source code repository did survive its demise.

Hans

[guest11527]

In order to open source Amiga OS 3.x one would need the source.

Check you history; The entire source code for 3.x does not exist.

This is certainly not true. It exists in a repository Olsen has, and a couple of people have copies of the repository.

But that is not even the problem. The problem is that Hyperion sees attempts to update the legacy 68K version as competitions to their own Amiga Os 4.0 - instead of a complementary extension of their product portfolio. That's part of the story I don't get, but then again, I don't have to finance it (but then again, I wasn't declared bankrupt either.).

[ppcamiga1]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

060 is a 486 class processor, and without ppc graphics speed is comparable with 486 vlb.

(if you spend 400 EURO for PCI plus Radeon, without PCI graphics is even worse).

Optimizations for 68k crap are pointless.

classic amiga really needs cpu better than 68k.

without changing cpu to better than 68k classic amiga nothing will help.

Making software for this crap is simply stupid.

Decision to not suport 68k crap was very wise.

ppc is ofcourse fully compatybilne with 68k.

choice ppc only was a very good decision.

[Linde]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

As opposed to Classic Amiga with PPC? Last I checked I could get a 68k Amiga for ~50 euros. How much is a PowerPC accelerator again? How does it compare to much cheaper and more modern processors? Wouldn't you be paying tons of money to do what, run quake and decode mp2 video?

classic amiga really needs cpu better than 68k.

For what? Running modern games? Modern browsers? Nope. To maintain the highest level of compatibility, a 68k processor is exactly what it needs. If you want a modern platform, you are not very smart to even consider classic Amiga.

ppc is ofcourse fully compatybilne with 68k.

No.

[alphadec]

choice ppc only was a very good decision.

Making all amiga software incompatible on new amigaone sounds like a fantastic idea.

[guest11527]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

060 is a 486 class processor, and without ppc graphics speed is comparable with 486 vlb.

Let's now be a bit realistic. PPC is not exactly available at budget prices either, and not exactly on par with the x86/x64 processors anyhow.

If you want to go for budget hardware, I would strongly argue that AmigaOs should be ported to mainstream hardware.

Decision to not suport 68k crap was very wise.

It could have been, if mainstream hardware had been selected. Which was exactly not what happened. I wouldn't call this a "wise" decision. There are actually two realistic markets: Either go for powerful mainstream hardware, which is certainly not PPC, or go for the vintage market, which is not PPC either.

After all, this doesn't sound so wise to me.

ppc is ofcourse fully compatybilne with 68k.

Did I miss something or are you living on another planet than I do?

[OlafS3]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

060 is a 486 class processor, and without ppc graphics speed is comparable with 486 vlb.

(if you spend 400 EURO for PCI plus Radeon, without PCI graphics is even worse).

Optimizations for 68k crap are pointless.

classic amiga really needs cpu better than 68k.

without changing cpu to better than 68k classic amiga nothing will help.

Making software for this crap is simply stupid.

Decision to not suport 68k crap was very wise.

ppc is ofcourse fully compatybilne with 68k.

choice ppc only was a very good decision.

Why are you repeating your nonsense all the time? If that decision was so "wise" why there are only overpriced underpowered hardware or aging used macs the only options left?

It would have been wise if they had created something easy portable so they could support different hardware easily.

Sticking to "PPC crap" was a dead end and all the reasons I have read why "X86" is wrong were pure nonsens (even in that days). When a PPC fan (like you claim, perhaps you do not even own one) talks about "overpriced underpowered hardware" sorry I start to laugh. On my newer PC I can beat most of the PPC computers in pure speed in my 68k emulation. So what is "underpowered" here?

You seem not to understand that most use it for pure fun and then it is not important if it is the fastest platform or not. BTW your "PPC crap" is not much more competitive than the "68k crap" just more expensive.

[OlafS3]

Making all amiga software incompatible on new amigaone sounds like a fantastic idea.

He can still move windows (but those then unbelievable fast) :lol:

[wawrzon]

This is certainly not true. It exists in a repository Olsen has, and a couple of people have copies of the repository.

But that is not even the problem. The problem is that Hyperion sees attempts to update the legacy 68K version as competitions to their own Amiga Os 4.0 - instead of a complementary extension of their product portfolio. That's part of the story I don't get, but then again, I don't have to finance it (but then again, I wasn't declared bankrupt either.).

if they ported it to amiga none would buy this broken ppc hardware and the people could check out what os4 is without investing fortunes. they couldnt be caught to remain loyal if they didnt like it.

[Heiroglyph]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

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Making software for this crap is simply stupid.

Decision to not suport 68k crap was very wise.
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This thread has stayed relatively drama free, please don't break that trend. There's no need for this type of name calling.

Nobody is saying 68k or even PPC can keep up with newer hardware or think it will take over the market.

We established long ago that this is a hobby platform, but there are a lot of people who still use it and would like updates to the OS, so lets continue to discuss it in a civil manner please.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

Why are you still trolling this forum?  Go away.  :bitch:

[number6]

@thread

Just a quick note about the dates mentioned in the original link and what they mean after getting a better translation:

(1)Filing (claims) to be filed by February 26, 2015

(2)March 4. 2015 is the date of deposition of the initial report for verification of said claims by the curator.

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[PanterHZ]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

Hehe... good attempt at trolling, but you really tried too hard here

[Minuous]

>The best would be if the AmigaOS 4 and AmigaOS 3 developers could share code and try to maintain similar APIs where possible.

Yes, and with this end in mind I was going to port OS4 piechart.gadget to OS3, however the developer refused to release source code for that purpose and was very insulting. What a prick. With that kind of attitude from the OS4 community why should I or any other OS3 developer bother to support OS4-specific features in the future?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Check you history; The entire source code for 3.x does not exist. It went missing somewhere in the Commodore labyrinth. This was one of the issues faced by the early AmigaOS 4 team. There was no "gold" code stored in a source repository. Bits and pieces here and there. Decompile this and reverse engineer that.

Dumb question, but has anyone checked with Village Tronic? As I vaguely recall they were the ones who actually released 3.1, a month after C= went under.  Might they have anything?