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Offline diogenesTopic starter

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How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« on: February 19, 2004, 09:51:21 PM »
I am new to this board, as you will see.  I looked around the forums and couldn't find the answer to what seems a simple problem.  So I shall ask...

I have been asked how one can copy a program CD for an Amiga system using a windows machine.  I had never heard of Amiga until the subject came up, so I am at a loss.  I get the impression from reading around the forum that this type of computer uses a unique OS.  I have not laid eyes on the machine and have asked for further details such as model, etc.

Any help with tools, ideas, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Modification (Software/hardware) of the Amiga machine is not an option.  

Thank you.  
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2004, 09:59:21 PM »
Copying a Amiga CD on a x86 machine, is just as simple as copying any other CD... Although it´s not allowed to copy copyrighted software, one is still able to do so... Just as any pc game...

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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2004, 10:33:37 PM »
Yes, just make sure you do a direct copy, don't copy the files off and re-write them to a new CD - Amiga CDs tend to be written with an extended version of ISO9660+RockRidge which supports file comments and some other Amiga FS stuff.

If you copy the files manually and write a new CD, you will probably end up with Joliet filenames and lose any file comments and special attributes (such as "executable").

Do a direct CD copy, but only for personal back-up purposes.

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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2004, 10:54:56 PM »
Hi... be careful ;-) you could get hooked.

There are many models of Amiga.

Yes, Amiga has a very different operating system from
M$ Windows. (no need to get into my dogs better than yours
here ) ;-)

Most people here have a PC, they just prefer their Amiga.

Stick around you might find you like it.
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2004, 12:29:16 AM »
Not to worry, I am not an MS snob.  It's just the OS I know.  I'm THAT close to turning my old 133mhz laptop into a Unix machine of some flavor, just to get some experience.  

I'm the resident Network and Sytems Guru here at work, so I get the hard cases.  It's amazing how the ability to find answers equates to genius status.  :-D

Just so I'm clear:  Any duplicating software (Nero, EasyCD, etc.) run on a windows machine, doing a disk copy operation, will yield a functional copy of a disk for an Amiga machine?

Just so you're clear:  The disk being copied is legally in our hands and the purpose of the copy is to ensure that we don't lose use of the software due to wear on the original disk.  We have one copy and it is not in the greatest of shape.    :-(

Thank you so much for your assistance on this.
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2004, 01:49:52 AM »
Personally, I would probably use CloneCD, or some other program that you are sure won't try to interpret the CD image.  The CD WILL be readable in Windows, but may not have all the necessary extended information to keep it functional on an Amiga.  

If you go with NERO, make very sure you do an "Image" copy, not a data copy, and test the end result, just to make sure.
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2004, 02:57:48 AM »
I've used Nero several times to backup my Amiga CDs.
Just do a clone CD, no problems, works for me.
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2004, 08:52:49 AM »
>Most people here have a PC, they just prefer their Amiga.

Actually I do not think this is true (okay, have a PC myselves, a 500 MHz machine with 800 MB Harddrive ... hehehe, not sure if that counts as PC :) ). There are
surely very many people here who do not have a PC (or only
a "very old PC").

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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2004, 10:09:46 AM »
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MagicSN wrote:
>Most people here have a PC, they just prefer their Amiga.

Actually I do not think this is true (okay, have a PC myselves, a 500 MHz machine with 800 MB Harddrive ... hehehe, not sure if that counts as PC :) ). There are
surely very many people here who do not have a PC (or only
a "very old PC").

Steffen


well we'd need a poll to find out for sure, but use & need pc's, and my amiga is just a hobby computer, just 4 fun basically, and for retro games...
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2004, 05:11:49 PM »
I think you are taking my statment "Most people here have
a PC" to literally.

What I ment is most people here have a PC, be it old or
new, or somewhere in between. But given the choice, they
would prefer to be putzing around on their Amiga as opposed
to the PC.
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2004, 07:11:04 PM »
New question:  How do I copy the boot floppies for Amiga?

The question had been third handed to me and presented as CD needing copying.  What needs to be done is for the floppies to be copied.  There is a set of these disks that the system boots from.  They are they same size as a 3 1/2 inch floppy for a windows machine.  I don't know for sure that they aren't some weird format.  Can these be copied using a Win machine?  Or, using DOS, Unix...  

 
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2004, 07:20:23 PM »
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diogenes wrote:
New question:  How do I copy the boot floppies for Amiga?

The question had been third handed to me and presented as CD needing copying.  What needs to be done is for the floppies to be copied.  There is a set of these disks that the system boots from.  They are they same size as a 3 1/2 inch floppy for a windows machine.  I don't know for sure that they aren't some weird format.  Can these be copied using a Win machine?  Or, using DOS, Unix...  

 

You have to copy those on a Amiga itself, as the floppy controller of the amiga is totally different than the one in PC's.

The floppy itself is the same though and you can even read pc formated floppys on the amiga but it sadly wont work the other way.
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Offline Ilwrath

Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2004, 07:37:53 PM »
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What needs to be done is for the floppies to be copied. There is a set of these disks that the system boots from. They are they same size as a 3 1/2 inch floppy for a windows machine. I don't know for sure that they aren't some weird format. Can these be copied using a Win machine? Or, using DOS, Unix...


Nope.  Only an Amiga or custom hardware can read/write to an Amiga diskette.  They are standard 3.5inch double density disks, but the Amiga uses a different data density (880k, instead of the PC standard 720k).  This is accomplished by the Amiga floppy drive rotating the disk at a different speed from a PC/Windows 3.5" floppy drive.  Therefore, the Amiga and the PC 3.5" data formats are hardware incompatable.  (Think 45rpm records vs 33rpm records, only in digital you don't end up with the "chipmunks" you end up with sheer garbage read/written to the disk.)

So, in other words, you can take a standard DSDD (non-HD) 3.5" floppy diskette and use it to backup your data to, but you'd have to MAKE that copy on real Amiga hardware, or the "Catweasel" hardware.  (WinUAE and other emulators are also unable to read/write to real Amiga disks, without custom hardware.)

Cheer up, though.  Making a copy of the disks on an Amiga is very easy.  If your master disks are NOT copy protected, you can go to the Amiga system and open a CLI or shell (theres an icon for it) and type the command:
"diskcopy df0: df0:"
(without quotes) and then follow the instructions.

There are also a number of dedicated disk copying programs for Amiga.  You'll need to find one of these, such as X-Copy, if your disks are copy protected.  
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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2004, 09:21:19 PM »
The garbled information I recieved from the source of this problem begins to make sense...

The problem I have is that there is no available Amiga machine to copy with. :boohoo:

The critter these disks are for is a special configuration made by Commodor using the Amiga system.  No keyboard, and we are not allowed to unseal the cabinet the machine's in.  The only user input method is a mouse or the specialized input devices attached.  Support wise, we're screwed because this is an antique and we're the bastard stepchildren.

I guess I'm now looking for someone local with a functioning Amiga.  Anyone here from the northeast US?

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Re: How can you Copy Amiga CDs
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2004, 09:55:07 PM »
Huh... Weird people, to seal something as beautiful as an Amiga inside a box where no-one can see it... :)

Anyway, I don´t think it´s going to be very difficult to aquire an Amiga. Amiga 500:s aren´t exactly rare, and if you look around in local ads, or perhaps put a wanted ad in a newspaper yourself, I´m sure you could find one... Just make sure you also get a copy of the Amiga Operating System, Workbench, or as mentioned before X-Copy, otherwisr you wont be able to copy the disks.

Just out of curiosity, what Amiga model is it your company is using, and to do what? If you´re not at liberty to say, then you shouldnt, of course... :)
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