FS: D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station 2nd Gen w/ AmigaOS 4.1

[Rob]

Red raised the issue of the legality of the marketing and sale of this machine especially if bundled with OS4.1.  It's clearly still using the Amiga name despite not have a license.  It looks like Hyperion had no choice but to issue a cease and desist.

There is od course nothing to stop an individual user buying a copy to run on whatever hardware they chose.

[ferrellsl]

Red raised the issue of the legality of the marketing and sale of this machine especially if bundled with OS4.1.  It's clearly still using the Amiga name despite not have a license.  It looks like Hyperion had no choice but to issue a cease and desist.

There is od course nothing to stop an individual user buying a copy to run on whatever hardware they chose.

No choice?!  You have to be joking.....  The systems all are HP branded.  Nothing about "Amiga" printed on any of them so there's no infringement of any kind.

[Manu]

Red raised the issue of the legality of the marketing and sale of this machine especially if bundled with OS4.1. It's clearly still using the Amiga name despite not have a license. It looks like Hyperion had no choice but to issue a cease and desist.

There is od course nothing to stop an individual user buying a copy to run on whatever hardware they chose.

But if I where c64man I would not be so keen on producing free marketing for Hyperon's OS4 after such threats he must have gotten.

[Rob]

No choice?!  You have to be joking.....  The systems all are HP branded.  Nothing about "Amiga" printed on any of them so there's no infringement of any kind.

I didn't say he was branding the hardware with the Amiga name but he is using it for marketing purposes.  He's calling it Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station both in this thread and on his wordpress page.

[OlafS3]

I didn't say he was branding the hardware with the Amiga name but he is using it for marketing purposes.  He's calling it Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station both in this thread and on his wordpress page.

Since when is the brand "Amiga" owned by Hyperion? AmigaOS yes but "Amiga" in general? When you install AMIGAforever on it you can run AMIGA-Software on it. How would you call it?

[F0LLETT]

Back on topic:

How does it come with registered WHDLoad Key, if your using same email.

That means your using one licence on all your machines.
You should be asking people who buy from you, for their email and then get key from bert for each one.

[Rob]

Since when is the brand "Amiga" owned by Hyperion? AmigaOS yes but "Amiga" in general?

I haven't claimed the brand Amiga belongs to Hyperion but they do have a very specific agreement with Amiga Inc about what they can and cannot do.  Allowing a third party vendor to bundle Amiga OS on hardware that is not defined as target hardware within the agreement could be seen as a breach and land Hyperion in court again.

When you install AMIGAforever on it you can run AMIGA-Software on it. How would you call it?

Just because it can run Amiga emulators it doesn't give him the right to use Amiga in his product name.  He is calling it "D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station".

[ElPolloDiabl]

Hyperion said they don't officially support OS4 on UAE. I guess that means they don't want it sold for that purpose.
Silly, but I agree with them.

[c64man]

I haven't claimed the brand Amiga belongs to Hyperion but they do have a very specific agreement with Amiga Inc about what they can and cannot do.  Allowing a third party vendor to bundle Amiga OS on hardware that is not defined as target hardware within the agreement could be seen as a breach and land Hyperion in court again.



Just because it can run Amiga emulators it doesn't give him the right to use Amiga in his product name.  He is calling it "D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station".

First it doesnt run AmigaForever,  It is based on a specialized WinUAE Config,  The reason it comes with an AmigaForever License is because of the legal issues with the ROMs and Workbench that comes with it.    So by purchasing an AmigaForever License for each one,  that takes care of the legal issues regarding the roms and workbench software.

First I got heat for calling it the AmigaMini,  So i changed the Name to D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station.   Now what else am I supposed to call it??,   It is what it is,  a Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station.   I can't just call it the Dedicated Emulation Station because it just runs AmigaOS.    

Essentially what you are saying is the Amiga Name is forbidden forever.  Im not going to rename it again.  Its a good product and it sells well.  People enjoy the ease of just plugging in a system and have it work out of the box.  

Gen 2 will not be sold with OS 4.1.   It will be just like Gen 1 except for the fact that it will be quite a bit faster and come with more accessories.

[c64man]

Back on topic:

How does it come with registered WHDLoad Key, if your using same email.

That means your using one licence on all your machines.
You should be asking people who buy from you, for their email and then get key from bert for each one.

I've emailed Bert on the WHDLoad Key issue,  and each person that buys is going to provide their email so they can get a WHDLoad Key.

[number6]

First it doesnt run AmigaForever,  It is based on a specialized WinUAE Config,  The reason it comes with an AmigaForever License is because of the legal issues with the ROMs and Workbench that comes with it.    So by purchasing an AmigaForever License for each one,  that takes care of the legal issues regarding the roms and workbench software.

First I got heat for calling it the AmigaMini,  So i changed the Name to D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station.   Now what else am I supposed to call it??,   It is what it is,  a Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station.   I can't just call it the Dedicated Emulation Station because it just runs AmigaOS.    

Essentially what you are saying is the Amiga Name is forbidden forever.  Im not going to rename it again.  Its a good product and it sells well.  People enjoy the ease of just plugging in a system and have it work out of the box.  

Gen 2 will not be sold with OS 4.1.   It will be just like Gen 1 except for the fact that it will be quite a bit faster and come with more accessories.

In addition to what has already been stated about the name "Amiga Mini", you also would be connecting yourself to Amiga Games Inc. (and Bill McEwen). Most of planet Earth would say this is not a good thing.

Source

This connection exists due to cross promotion agreements with, amongst others...licensees. In this case CommodoreUSA.

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[wawrzon]

I really wonder why have you ever intended to bundle your systems with os4. It would only be a gimmick. According to reports it is close to be unusable due to stupid artificial limitations like main memory to 128mb and graphic card with 4mb ram. Not to speak of providing rom images ripped of the accelerator and rtg firmware which may not be legal to commercially distribute. You are looking at lot of problems there, which you might avoid using aros68k if you want an up to date maintained system without all these restrictions and wide legacy software compatibility.

[tonyvdb]

@c64man, thats a great unit and I just want to say keep up the good work. I would like one and will probably get it in the next couple months.

[Brian]

Gen 2 will not be sold with OS 4.1.   It will be just like Gen 1 except for the fact that it will be quite a bit faster and come with more accessories.

Not that I see Hyp realy having a case but you could make a custom config that will check if OS4 is installed and if not ask for the CD to start the installation... or just make 2 configs one that start the installation and one that works once the installation is done.

[Rob]

First I got heat for calling it the AmigaMini,  So i changed the Name to D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station.   Now what else am I supposed to call it??,   It is what it is,  a Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station.   I can't just call it the Dedicated Emulation Station because it just runs AmigaOS.    
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Call it what you want, it's not my liability.

[Lionheart]

Hyperion and their partners (lets be honest this is a team effort here) aren't going to to let you sell a machine emulating Amiga OS4 because...

1) The name.  You need to remove the name Amiga from it entirely unless you have a license to use the trademark.   Call it a Dedicated Emulated Station or something.

2) The strategic partnership agreement Hyperion has with ACube and A-Eon.  Hyperion's EULA most likely prevents it from being sold on non-approved hardware the same way Apple prevents Mac OSX from being sold on non-Macs.  Just look at Psystar: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/09/appeals-court-apple-can-continue-to-restrict-os-x-to-mac-hardware/