AmiZilla

[smithy]

I said he has no plans now for an update to make 68k version the same as morphos version.

he has no plans for making it OS4 compliant either , though this can change.

Why aren't you on about IBrowse's authors in a similarly excited fashion?  There isn't going to be a MOS version of IBrowse, and I'm sure I read a few years ago that IB would be OS4 exclusive, which I interpreted to mean no AmigaOS 3.x version either.

[smithy]

One for the former heads of Netscape Communcations added a lot of $$$ to AmiZilla and requested it be based on Mozilla or FireFox.

Does this mean a newly developed browser (one unrelated to any existing browsers in on any other platform) couldn't win the contest?

This seems a bit unfair, because some people gave money for any browser with the equivalent functionality of Mozilla, not necessarily Mozilla.  It was implied at the time that this is the aim of the project - a modern standards-compliant browser for Amigaish systems.

[lempkee]

mikeymike and thatpunkguy:

well to both really did u forget to read what i wrote? ,
in the dev forums they talked about using PLUGS for the excisting voyager/aweb engines/frontend etc.

not just the gui , everything as in just building them up with more features based as plugs!

but this is not a discussion anymore as BILL told us whats going on and that was the part i wondered about.

i dont bash ibrowse nor voyager, i bash them who forget to tell on their website that they have stopped support/updates for the plattform.

i am most likely to enjoy voyager again if there ever will be a chance for me to run it in an UPDATED form, but until then i will use ibrowse and maybe amizilla if that ever comes.

even morphos users use ibrowse instead of the updated morhos version, i dont know why but i guess its unstable like it is on the last 68k version that came.

anyway the discussion is over for my concern since we got the answers.

but i am sure there will be 200 posts more here before its dead.. (just because i was so silly to say what i did about voyager)

[lempkee]

warface:

Now, as you don't need any lectures, you probably know that there is MorphOS for classic Amiga machines, currently in a pretty mature betatest version, as any betatester will testify to you.

now what has this got to do with !!!!!!!!!68k!!!!!!!!!!!

AMIZILLA has RULES! , which u ofcouse forgot to read.

yes amizilla starts on 68k and must be USEABLE on low end 68k systems.

please o please tell me where morphos classic fits in here? , oh and btw i have morphos installed here on my bppc so PLEASE tell me! ..

weird people on this board sometimes, normally people should READ the first posts before answering some with some weird response! , for all i know maybe the reason for this is the new amiga.org design , i dunno but its started recently all of this #OOPS#e!

[Targhan]

Telling users to "ignore Voyager" will only serve to worsen the situation.  Every registration lost directly equates to a reduction in the desire to support the 68k.  The exact same thing can be said of IBrowse and PPC.

MorphOS users, if anything, should support IBrowse if they ever want to have the _hope_ of seeing a native version.  OS4 supporters should do the exact same thing for Voyager if they ever want to see an OS4 version.  It's not just "loyalty," it's economics--make it worth the developer's time!

[Warface]

@Lempkee

now what has this got to do with !!!!!!!!!68k!!!!!!!!!!!

Will you please read what you've wrote, and my reactions. Neither your argument that there will be no 68K version (even you added ATM to indicate that only at the present it seems so) as a reason to urge Amiga users to ignore Voyager, nor your second argument, namely that there will be no Voyager on Amiga (as there is MorphOS for Classic Amiga computers) is correct. Yet, you refuse to apologise.

And one more thing. It's not the first time you're on the borderline of openly offending and insulting me, so I kindly ask the moderators to do something before I'll use swearwords as a form of an answer. Thank you.

[Warface]

even morphos users use ibrowse instead of the updated morhos version, i dont know why but i guess its unstable like it is on the last 68k version that came.

The question is simple: where have you learned the above fact from? Or you've just made up something to bash Voyager again, just because they focus on an Operating System which is the Satan itself in your eyes?

[lempkee]

warface@:

now what has this got to do with !!!!!!!!!68k!!!!!!!!!!!



Will you please read what you've wrote, and my reactions. Neither your argument that there will be no 68K version (even you added ATM to indicate that only at the present it seems so) as a reason to urge Amiga users to ignore Voyager, nor your second argument, namely that there will be no Voyager on Amiga (as there is MorphOS for Classic Amiga computers) is correct. Yet, you refuse to apologise.

what the #^#&??? , where did this come from then?
i added ATM for VOYAGER and NOT Mozilla/amizilla , amizilla has CLEAR rules here.

and as i said before why drag this ludicrus discussion out? when its been solved by bill allready?


and as i allready pointed out, there is nothing wrong with regging Voyager Mos , do as you want but dont expect to see an 68k version of it.

MORPHOS is PPC , and for classic that means you need a POWER PC CARD , ie BPPC or CSPPC.  (which i currently RUN)

so please tell me where i am supposed to appologize , everything you said so far has nothing to do with the stuff i was talking about , i was only pointing out (BEFORE WE GOT AN OFFICIAL ANSWER FROM BILL(discreetFX) THAT NEITHER VOYAGER OR AWEB will be used for amizilla frontend/plug base.

read that and i am sure you wont bother to reply again.

[Damion]

What I'm seeing here, from my objective observation, is that perhaps
people are just misunderstanding or confusing one another's points a
little.

Lempkee isn't intentionally 'trolling' at all, on the contrary, he is
inclined to contribute $2000 USD(!) to a project which has been badly
needed on these platforms for ages, and had a few legitimate questions
to voice beforehand.

The "amiga users should forget Voyager" is referring to 68k amiga
users, and not an "Amiga Vs MOS/Voyager" crack (or at least that's
how I read it).

 

[mikeymike]

Lempkee isn't intentionally 'trolling' at all, on the contrary

lempkee wrote:
voyager is something every amiga user should ignore as they are MORPHOS only and will stay that way it seems as the coder have no 68k system to produce anything on.

Perhaps a really poor grip on the english language then?

The "amiga users should forget Voyager" is referring to 68k amiga users, and not an "Amiga Vs MOS/Voyager" crack (or at least that's how I read it).

Well why is MorphOS even mentioned?  It's totally irrelevant.

[lempkee]

mikeymike:it wasnt irrelevant when the question was asked, HOW many times must i tell you???

i wont bother to write all again, i will just suggest that you READ my posts and especially them where it says "aweb  / voyager" ...

[mikeymike]

mikeymike:it wasnt irrelevant when the question was asked, HOW many times must i tell you???

These are the three questions asked before you went into one about MorphOS:

Did anyone actually start working on it anyways?

Is the AmiZilla project still alive?

Is this page still up?

So tell me, how is MorphOS relevant in the answer to any of those questions?

[lempkee]

jesus mikeymike..

READ THIS:

Re: AmiZilla

mikeymike:screenshots is important atm , because of the last news discreetFX gave us.

they plan on simplefying it or it might happen.

it might be based upon AWEB! or voyager ..

also i know 2 of the guys who made progress in the first months and they LEFT the project , so i am just questioning if its ONLY TALK or if there is actually someone working on it.

i dont know how many times i need to say it but i hope this is the last time.

In the DEV Forum it was stated + NEWS posted here on amiga.org even (some time ago) , THAT AWEB / VOYAGER engine (with all content) MIGHT be used as the BASE to speed up the Amizilla project , since it stagnated due to beeing one very big project.

Also, How could they have used VOYAGER when the coder/developers of this web browser has no 68k anymore?
They stopped working on it and has no hardware to make it on (for optimizing etc).

**edit = and for your information , morphos is PPC only.

Amizilla rule NUMBER 1 is that it HAS to be 68k , later they can port to other solutions like ppc , but first it has to be approved for 68k and should be useable.


Also AS I HAVE STATED SEVERAL TIMES ALLREADY, BILL allready cleared this up by stating that NEITHER AWEb or Voyager will be used for porting mozilla/firebird.

[mikeymike]

lempkee, I give up.  I get tired of talking to a brick wall.

And MorphOS can run on 68k Amigas.  But anyway.  My comment still stands about trolling.  Don't.  If you don't like my opinion of what you said, take it up with another member of AO staff.

You're either exceptionally poor at making your argument, because you had myself and three other people apparently misunderstanding what you were saying, so maybe you ought to think about that.  Or you were trolling.

Warface's interpretation of your argument was identical to mine.  I don't know what Targhan and Tpg think about that.

It appears to me now that you've changed the goalposts of your argument several times.  First of all its apparently about MorphOS, then it's about 68k, then it's neither of those and about something else.  I give up.

And CAPITAL LETTERS don't help explain your argument!

You're either trolling or you're easily misunderstood.  If you intend to be neither, you seriously need to construct your arguments better.

[lempkee]

mikeymike:and i say as i have always said, u might want to start reading all of the text and by that i mean from post 1 of mine till now in this amizilla thread.

i never changed my goals , i got answer to 2 of the the questions while this thread where on going , and thats a good enough reason for me to stop asking the same questions all over again and again.

capital letters makes it easier to read for blind people + i got rather upset while you and warface started to slag only 1 simple comment in all the text that was written.

(it may have been not too well put but i surely have proof of it beeing valid, but then again its not an issue since its been cleared up by the fact that they aint going to use an old amiga webbrowser as a core)


if it all was read from start then it would have made sense to you all, or it should have anyway.

and as far as morphos 68k excists, it might do in the form of morphos pre 0.4 which infact needs os3.x, but that doesnt mean that the coder of a certain browser updates his work for it now does it?.

and most of all, this thread was "never" about morphos , this thread was about Amizilla.

i got my answers quite early in this thread (after 2 posts from DiscreetFX) and i didnt expect this outburst from anyone really so basically all that happens from his last post till now is a repetation of what was said allready.
(from me anyway).


from the start of i wanted a proof of life , a screenshot.

from the start of i wanted to know for sure if the old thread info was taken in use "to use an old web browser as core"

so please tell me, when did i change my goals?



anyway about that brickwall comment , maybe you need to be one to understand one? :-)