AmiZilla

[lempkee]

warface:ah yeah ok , weird that since i happen to know the guys behind voyager and there is no 68k update comming anytime soon.

and i know what morphos is , no need to give me any lectures.

also this wasnt about voyager beeing morphos only, this was about the browsers they choosed for amizilla development,
or wanted to anyway, and we all should know by now that its been publicly announced that 1. the author doesnt have an AMIGA anymore, he has an pegasos only.  2. there is no plans for an 68k update atm.

sure i could make up some stories just to get everyone happy but it wont happen aslong as there is no proof of amizilla still in the works ..

i for one would love to see amizilla, its the next best thing after os4! , we really need it but people who claim its alive and kicking should really show up with some news/info.

[lempkee]

mikeymike:thats not trolling, thats facts which was posted in the last AMIZILLA thread by the people behind voyager.

anyway i will stop here now as i am bound to upset someone, but just put it like this, i am SICK and tired of people just guiding people into illusions and fantasy.


--- if its trolling, sorry but weird part is that this was discussed 3 months or so ago and i wasnt called a troll back then, and neither the morphos guys who posted the same.

[Pyromania]

Hi lempkee

 I started the AmiZilla contest and it has not been 1 year yet, almost though. AmiZilla will not use the AWeb engine. Two teams are working on the port, one in Russia and one on the mailing list. A port will take at least 12-14 months because of the size of the project minus programmer time to get a feel for the source code. At least for the team in Russia the focus has moved to porting FireFox since it could be completed sooner. One of the main founders of Netscape is a big Amiga Video Toaster fan and donated over $4000 to the contest. Please let me know if you have further questions anyone. I have also put a lot of my own money into this project so I want to see it complete. In fact everytime a donation is sent in via paypal I cover the paypal fee so the full amount goes to AmiZilla. The more that people donate the more it costs me. The Amiga has needed Mozilla bad for many years!

Bill Panagouleas
DiscreetFX
Founder/CEO
bill ..at.. ..discreetfx.. ..dot.. ..com..
www.discreetfx.com

[lempkee]

hi pyromania (bill):

as i have said on all the mailing lists me and you are on and so on , i am fully uptodate with all the news you and the team give us, thats never been a problem..

but there have'nt been any news really, not some ground breaking ones (like its working, or module XXX ported and works etc), competetion is healthy is a word we hear alot theese days in the community.

Does it use the Voyager engine then? , glad i got it confirmed that its not AWEB atleast.

we had a big discussion about this some months ago on several dev forums and i made it totally clear that a project of this magnitude needs infact some attention from the crowd to make it even more special, i still have thoose 2000 USD on an savings account which i promised , as soon as i see a sign of life (better be a good one) thats when 2000 more gets transferred over.

anyway as i have told before ,i do know why its so secret and all but most secret projects have a tendency to die,
anyway just give us a sign of life , this text as you said is nearly identical to which we got in the dev forums some time ago :-( .  (except for the AWEB thing)
+ the latter was announced as news in all major news sites, and imho its great that such a thing has happened (who doubled the sum of money)

thanx for clearing up 1 of my many questions but i guess the rest of the community still stomps in a corner.

i can only wish you guys the best of luck but some proof of life is vital in such big (AND BORING) port projects , i have a very talented friend who tried to port it on his own for several years and he even failed , now he works for mac with several office soulutions...  :-(  ..

cheers

ps:sorry for trolling (some here think it is trolliing atleast)

[Warface]

1. the author doesnt have an AMIGA anymore, he has an pegasos only. 2. there is no plans for an 68k update atm.

atm? You really added atm? So there can be. You know (if you don't need lectures) that the author has more important projects than Voyager atm. Maybe that has more to do with the lack of updates than the picture of an "amiga hater" you tried to describe below.

You know, there will be no 68K version of OS4. From this point on, should I ignore and hate them, as you insist? Not to mention that atm there is no classic Amiga version of the pre-release planned. At least think your reasoning over again.

[Cymric]

I've argued before and I'll argue again: it is next to impossible to 'port' Mozilla or Firebird to the Amiga. Not within the mentioned timeframe, and not with the current bounty. It is too Unixy, and the Amiga with OS 3.9 and lower lacks too much features to make it happen. AmigaOS 4 is likely have some extra support, but even then it will be very, very difficult. The porting of the complex underlying memory, process and GUI management routines would be formidable and very difficult tasks on their own, never mind the whole package.

[mikeymike]

mikeymike:thats not trolling, thats facts which was posted in the last AMIZILLA thread by the people behind voyager.

And stop playing 'tit for tat', it's just as silly.

Telling people they shouldn't use a particular product because it uses what you perceive as the enemy is trolling.  No ifs, no buts.

--- if its trolling, sorry but weird part is that this was discussed 3 months or so ago and i wasnt called a troll back then, and neither the morphos guys who posted the same.

Part of the thread three months ago might have been trolling, it might not.  It might have been missed by the moderators, it might not.  Quite frankly, I don't care what happened on a thread three months ago.  I care about making my decisions as balanced as possible, and covering as much ground (threads) as I can.  We might miss some.  Whose salary are you going to refuse to pay as a result.

And the worst thing about what you wrote is that I saw the trolling and automatically switched off after that.  I don't have any idea whether you had anything better to say after that.  You may want to think about that if you actually want people to read what you write.

[lempkee]

warface:jesus allmighty , you dont give up right?..

I belived u knew 1. That morphos has AN voyager update! Compared to the 68k which people still register theese days, (i am one of thoose who regged voyager AFTER it was abandoned for AMIGAOS).

I never said he was an amiga hater, thats your description.

I said he has no plans now for an update to make 68k version the same as morphos version.

he has no plans for making it OS4 compliant either , though this can change.

just remeber 1 thing , the plans for AMIZILLA is 68k!!!!!!!!!!! thats REASON number 1 and thats the sole reason why i think people should wake up and face it, this is just a phase and there will be more and more and more delays on amizilla IF (and i say IF) its gonna be based/built on Voyager.

also i never paid or regged OS4 for 68k , and it was made CLEAR from day 1 that it was going to be PPC only , and later it was added that BLIZZARD PPC would be supported also.

There never was planned an PRE-RELEASE os4 for CLASSIC amiga (with POWERUP cards) so ihave no reason to expect one either.

that said i have no reason to demolish everyones illusion of AMIZILLA and i am a big supporter of it but i hate beeing smacked in the face with just "TALK TALK TALK" even after 1 year and most of all there is more money iin this project than nearly any other project around in the amiga scene theese days (i am a games developer so i know) .

put it like this, if i see PROOF OF LIFE then i will be pretty fast to put even more cash into the pot and i will support them as far as possible, but as i said earlier (some posts ago) its a HUGE project and it does require alot more than almost any other sw on the amiga atm (except for mos and os4 ofcourse).

.

[lempkee]

mikemike:its pretty hard to not use"tit and tat" when it comes to something like this , there has been no official news about it, there has been discussions on dev boards i am part of (and belive i blew up there also) , i just want it confirmed if its the voyager engine they will use as a backbone or aweb , i got a confirmed answer by bill in this thread that its not going to be AWEB so now i wait for a confirmed one if it will be voyager!.



So its trolling when the author steps out and says he has no 68k anymore and have no plans for making the 68k port the same state as the morphos version?



from the sound of things i am obviously a gigantic troll just because
1. i hate that news is posted via dev boards (closed community)
2. that nothing is OFFICIAL ,
3. that people go and buy software that they think is still in development!

point number 3. here is pretty crucial, as its a web browser and automatically people expect it will be continued , especially since there is NO information on the website about it beeing stopped on 68k and so on.

AMIGA and MORPHOS and AROS and UAE and Amithlon NEEDS a browser thats CAPABLE enough to attract users, the stuff that ticks my brain here is basically the one and only thing "will it go as planned (everything ported)" or will it be BASED upon an excisting Amiga browser.


anyway i will let bill answer this and i wont mention voyager from now on, but i will mention AMIZILLA.

[Pyromania]

Unless one of the programmers informs me otherwise AmiZilla will not be based on Voyager. One for the former heads of Netscape Communcations added a lot of $$$ to AmiZilla and requested it be based on Mozilla or FireFox.

[lempkee]

pyromania:

thanx alot for the information, i now got a good answer and now i am happy again, anyway hope to see some news soon.

and what will happen next?...

anyway i hope to see some groundbreaking news soon.


cheers

[mikeymike]

mikemike:its pretty hard to not use"tit and tat" when it comes to something like this , there has been no official news about it

So bickering and bitching about it and related subjects are fair play in the meantime?  I don't think so.

So its trolling when the author steps out and says he has no 68k anymore and have no plans for making the 68k port the same state as the morphos version?

No.  Stop purposefully misconstruing what I'm saying.  If you truly don't understand what I'm saying to you then I suggest you give up for a while and reconsider your points of view because they must be somewhat blinkered.

[that_punk_guy]

Er... forgive me if I'm being stupid, but what would be the point in basing it on an existing Amiga browser engine anyway?

:-?

[mikeymike]

that_punk_guy wrote:
Er... forgive me if I'm being stupid, but what would be the point in basing it on an existing Amiga browser engine anyway?

:-?

I assume they mean the GUI front end.  Otherwise I'm confused too.

[Warface]

@Lempkee

OK, let's look at it this way: Let me pick two quotes of yours, Lempkee:

I said he has no plans now for an update to make 68k version the same as morphos version.

voyager is something every amiga user should ignore as they are MORPHOS only and will stay that way it seems as the coder have no 68k system to produce anything on.

And a third:

and i know what morphos is , no need to give me any lectures.

Now, as you don't need any lectures, you probably know that there is MorphOS for classic Amiga machines, currently in a pretty mature betatest version, as any betatester will testify to you.

Could you please, in the light of this well known fact give a reason why should Amiga users ignore Voyager? Except for your blind hatred, which you are from time to time so ready to communicate to us?

[smithy]

I said he has no plans now for an update to make 68k version the same as morphos version.

he has no plans for making it OS4 compliant either , though this can change.

Why aren't you on about IBrowse's authors in a similarly excited fashion?  There isn't going to be a MOS version of IBrowse, and I'm sure I read a few years ago that IB would be OS4 exclusive, which I interpreted to mean no AmigaOS 3.x version either.