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Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« on: January 09, 2015, 09:17:59 PM »
Hello, this is not a sales post but a question. I hope this is in the right place.
Anyhow, I just got off the phone with Ebay as they closed down one of my Gotek listings claiming that I was selling a modified devices intended for piracy.
I tried to explain to them that what I am selling is no for piracy, but that must be done on the software level.
Needless to say, they would not believe me and I can no longer sell them, that is so long as they are flashed to work with the Amiga.
Anyone else having this problem?
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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 09:23:03 PM »
Ooooh, somebody reported you.  Who'd you piss off?  That sucks, and I don't even like the "Gotek" type of devices or floppy emulators.  :angry:
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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2015, 09:31:59 PM »
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Ooooh, somebody reported you.  Who'd you piss off?  That sucks, and I don't even like the "Gotek" type of devices or floppy emulators.  :angry:


That's the odd thing... I've not sold one in two months. I just listed some that came in and boom, they took it down and did not re-post after all my explaining. I've had nothing but positive feedback from everyone I'd sold to.

Searching for Amiga Gotek, it now looks like there are only about 3 people still selling...
Earth has a lot of things other folks might want... like the whole planet. And maybe these folks would like a few changes made, like more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and room for their way of life. - William S. Burroughs
 

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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2015, 09:36:25 PM »
Quote from: XDelusion;781340
Hello, this is not a sales post but a question. I hope this is in the right place.
Anyhow, I just got off the phone with Ebay as they closed down one of my Gotek listings claiming that I was selling a modified devices intended for piracy.
I tried to explain to them that what I am selling is no for piracy, but that must be done on the software level.
Needless to say, they would not believe me and I can no longer sell them, that is so long as they are flashed to work with the Amiga.
Anyone else having this problem?
Technically, you are selling a "Value Added Product" and increasing the sale of Gotek devices overall for the manufacturer.  I am not a lawyer, but there is no piracy involved unless the firmware coder has expressed that his "work product" should not be used for commercial use.  I haven't check his site recently, but there was no mention of restriction on use (it was freely available for download) when I programmed the several I have.
 

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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2015, 09:40:46 PM »
I am sorry, I just checked the author's web site: https://cortexamigafloppydrive.wordpress.com/

And there is now added in red:
"The informations and softwares provided on this page can’t be sold directly or indirectly into a preflashed device."
 

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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 09:47:32 PM »
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I am sorry, I just checked the author's web site: https://cortexamigafloppydrive.wordpress.com/

And there is now added in red:
"The informations and softwares provided on this page can’t be sold directly or indirectly into a preflashed device."


Hmm, I did not see the update notice on the web site. I wonder if that is what the Ebay guys are going from or if they are just jumping to conclusions.

I asked them if I could sell my drives unmodified, and they said yes. That way I can at least get most of my money back out of them. Oddly enough though... do a search on Ebay for Gotek...

....there are very few left being sold even without the flash, at least with "Gotek" in the title. Hmmm....
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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 10:00:00 PM »
I still see nothing on the official about not selling pre-flashed drives. This is the only notice I see:

"DISCLAIMER :
No software from Gotek System was used or reversed to make this new firmware.
Informations and softwares on this page are provided in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
The author will not be held liable for any loss, damage or failure or any incident related to the use of this software and informations.
It is not a commercial work and had been done at my free time so don’t expect instant support or warranty.
The informations and softwares provided on this page can’t be sold directly or indirectly into a preflashed device."
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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2015, 11:26:23 PM »
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y would not believe me and I can no longer sell them, that is so long as they are flashed to work with the Amiga.

Kind off off topic

I have one called HXC but I never installed it because ive not been using the mig that often lately and when I do, whdload is my goto.

Anyway, is this one better than HXC?

I do hate ebay sometmes. First, I sold a Mazda rotary engine on there and did not realize I'd get charged 10% on freight shipping which was substantial. Then I sold an aluminum Chinese mustang intake manifold but buyer never paid (ebay noob - max bid mistake) but I still got stuck with the fee. I mean they give you a credit, but need sell over $200 worth of stuff to use it because unfortunately the intake sold for a lot less the second time.
 

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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 11:36:58 PM »
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Kind off off topic

I have one called HXC but I never installed it because ive not been using the mig that often lately and when I do, whdload is my goto.

Anyway, is this one better than HXC?

I do hate ebay sometmes. First, I sold a Mazda rotary engine on there and did not realize I'd get charged 10% on freight shipping which was substantial. Then I sold an aluminum Chinese mustang intake manifold but buyer never paid (ebay noob - max bid mistake) but I still got stuck with the fee. I mean they give you a credit, but need sell over $200 worth of stuff to use it because unfortunately the intake sold for a lot less the second time.


From my understanding, the HXC is better.
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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2015, 04:13:23 AM »
This is actually good news for all of us Gotek users.
The author of the Gotek's Amiga firmware stopped updating it because many people started selling his work.

Looks like he finally managed to do something about it, good for him.

Btw, that notice on his website about not selling his software has been there for many months.
 

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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2015, 04:21:56 AM »
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This is actually good news for all of us Gotek users.
The author of the Gotek's Amiga firmware stopped updating it because many people started selling his work.

Looks like he finally managed to do something about it, good for him.

Btw, that notice on his website about not selling his software has been there for many months.


I only look at the bottom of the page for updates when I visit.
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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2015, 07:13:48 AM »
Well I guess one could add the header line, the USB UART device, and instructions on how to do it.  I hated the colors and made 4 painted in Amiga beige.

P.S.,  I wish someone would invest in a 3D printer and start making Amiga cases for these, A4000 front fascia's, custom A1200/600 cases, and parts to build an A1200 tower.
 

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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2015, 01:44:12 PM »
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Well I guess one could add the header line, the USB UART device, and instructions on how to do it.  I hated the colors and made 4 painted in Amiga beige.

P.S.,  I wish someone would invest in a 3D printer and start making Amiga cases for these, A4000 front fascia's, custom A1200/600 cases, and parts to build an A1200 tower.


Yep, or offer to do mandatory flash updates for buyers...

...but no one listened, everyone had to be hard headed. Oh well.
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Re: Anybody Else Been Bloccked From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2015, 11:57:51 PM »
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Well I guess one could add the header line, the USB UART device, and instructions on how to do it.  I hated the colors and made 4 painted in Amiga beige.

P.S.,  I wish someone would invest in a 3D printer and start making Amiga cases for these, A4000 front fascia's, custom A1200/600 cases, and parts to build an A1200 tower.


I've seriously considered buying a 3D printer so that I could do some replacement parts.  But cases for things like the Gotek would be sweet.

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Re: Anybody Else Been "Blocked" From Selling Goteks on Amiga?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2015, 01:59:30 AM »
1) The Goteks are still selling unrestricted on UK eBay.

2) The case for them (Gotek devices) doesn't fit A1200/600's so a 3D printed one would be "sweet."

3) If someone could do Amiga plastics (cases, case fronts, inserts) on a 3D printer they would make some fast money.