Best Commodore 4000 Monitor?

[fondpondforever]

What is the best Commodore 4000 Monitor? Thanks

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

"Best"?  That's kind of a subjective term, don't you think?  What's "best" for you might not be "best" for someone else.

That being said, if you want a monitor that was specifically manufactured by Commodore, try looking here:

http://gona.mactar.hu/Commodore/monitor/Commodore_monitors_by_model_number.html

Personally I use a Dell LCD monitor on my A2000, and a Vizio LCD TV on my A500.  I would say that they're both "the best", but again - subjective, haha.  

[fondpondforever]

The 1084ST Monitor was released in 1994 two years later than the 1960 Monitor but according to the website the 1960 is better for the 4000.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

The 1084ST Monitor was released in 1994 two years later than the 1960 Monitor but according to the website the 1960 is better for the 4000.

Just because something is newer doesn't mean it is better. I wish I still had my 1970 Oldsmobile 98 convertible. Except for the terrible gas mileage, I'd take that car over any modern car, these days!

You do know you don't have to use a Commodore monitor specifically, right? Although I suppose if you're trying to keep it authentic to C= era hardware, the 1960 has probably the highest resolution, and lowest dot pitch, of any of the models they released.

[fondpondforever]

I've read that people say the Commodore 1084 Monitor is best one ever made for the Amiga Computer's. So would you say for a Third Generation Amiga it's between the 1960 and 1084. Does anyone know much about the 1084ST Monitor? Thank you.

[Linde]

"Best"?  That's kind of a subjective term, don't you think?  What's "best" for you might not be "best" for someone else.

Well, if you write something about why you prefer a particular monitor, maybe it can be an interesting discussion anyway.

I like the 1084S. I used to have some old PHILIPS video editing monitors before that had SCART inputs and were a bit sharper, but I can't remember the models, but the 1084 is a nice small CRT with an RGB input. Some people complain about eye strain or headaches after using CRT monitors, though, particularly at low refresh rates like 50/60 Hz. For me, authenticity is important, which is why I prefer it. It was a very common monitor here.

In europe you can use many small LCD TV sets that come with RGB inputs via SCART. This is convenient (in size and weight) but it can be hit or miss in terms of picture quality. Mine is a bit blurry and not particularly bright compared to the 1084, but in the end the size, weight and LCD makes it worth it.

[mechy]

What is the best Commodore 4000 Monitor? Thanks

The 1960 being a multisync is a good monitor that can do just about all A4000 modes.

The 1950 is multisync and does most all modes.

The 1942 works ok, its technically a bi-sync but does most modes. Note many have bad/ cracked solder joints on the chokes and flyback and need resoldering-I have fixed many with this problem, and once fixed seem to be fine.

SonyCPD-1302 a good trinitron multisync,nice .25 dot pitch, does all modes. Hard to find these days

Nec 3d  Another hard to find monitor that does all modes.

here is a list i found on the net,most of these would work for amiga 15khz+ modes:

http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/15KHz_SVGA_Monitors

[fondpondforever]

Thanks mechy, the 1942 was released in 1993 yet the 1960 which was released in 1992 seems to make use of the 4000 models more being two years older. I'm confused lol

[mechy]

Thanks mechy, the 1942 was released in 1993 yet the 1960 which was released in 1992 seems to make use of the 4000 models more being two years older. I'm confused lol

I would'nt put much into when the monitors were made, this has no correlation really. Commodore even used 1084s on their early ibm clones.
it just comes down to what you want to do. Multisyncs can usually do all the possible amiga modes(15khz-31khz+), while 1084s etc will tolerate 15khz modes only. Without a flicker fixer/scan doubler you might likely go crazy with the flicker in some interlaced modes As someone said above, never is not always better. Go by the specs of the monitor to choose whats best for you.
If you want accuracy,a crt is the best thing,since amigas were made for them. some lcd monitors can do 15khz(like the dell 24" st2410l i use) and although it looks good in some ntsc modes, it doesnt handle others.

[fondpondforever]

Thank you for your excellent information mate. The 1960 Monitor seems to be the most appropriate one for it's advanced ouput functionality on the Commodore Amiga 4000. If I got a 1940 or 1942 Monitor and used it on a 4000 what differences would I notice and what features will I loose in comparison to the 1960. I know you said that the 1942 is a bi-sync. Anything Else? The hunt for the 1960, 1942 and 1940 begins. Is eBay and Amibay the best places to look for these Monitor's?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Thank you for your excellent information mate. The 1960 Monitor seems to be the most appropriate one for it's advanced ouput functionality on the Commodore Amiga 4000. If I got a 1940 or 1942 Monitor and used it on a 4000 what differences would I notice and what features will I loose in comparison to the 1960. I know you said that the 1942 is a bi-sync. Anything Else? The hunt for the 1960, 1942 and 1940 begins. Is eBay and Amibay the best places to look for these Monitor's?

IMHO I would still use anything but a CRT monitor in 2014, but I get that some people want to "keep it original". More info here:

1940/1942:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=854

1960:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=857

Craigslist occasionally has Amiga items, don't forget to pick up a 23-pin to 15-pin adapter with these monitors!

Edit:  Does the 1960 have speakers?  I think only the 1940/1942 do.  If that's important to you.

[Duce]

I had the 1084, 1950 and the 1960.  Always preferred the 1950/60.  Neither had speakers, I had the add-on A-10 speaker kit.

[Ratte]

Iiyama: MF-5017(MF-5021)

http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=870

[mechy]

Iiyama: MF-5017(MF-5021)

http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=870

I have a 17 Liyama here that has the long persistence phosphor.. unfortunately not good for game use etc unless you like trails across the screen,the long persistence was to keep flicker at bay in interlace modes(it was directed to video toaster users).

The monitor you list is a fairly rare puppy.

[danbeaver]

I liked the Amiga M1764

and the '70 Olds was huge and couldn't corner but at least it (should have) had a Rocket 88.