A-EON Technology Acquires Personal Paint

[broadblues]

I Think it's too useful to be left off by accident, so I'm probably being overly optimistic, it more like a feature halfway there, I just need to find wat breaks when switching of Chipmem and see if it's fixable.

[midway]

Very glad to hear this positive development.
 
 The community can only profit as a whole from efforts like these.
 
 I am not concerned about it being removed from Aminet. If you have the CDs you will always have it.

[fishy_fiz]

Good pixel art program. I use it regularly alongside dpaint and brilliance (theyre all better for different things).
As for the removal of the current version from aminet, It is a little unusual, but not worth losing sleep over.
Good luck to whoever is at the helm.
AROS version would be great by the way.

[Linde]

So what your saying is, if cloanto decided to remove their software from Aminet. They are not allowed to? So you own the software?

They are of course allowed to ask, but I can see no legal basis for its removal, given the license it was distributed under. Aminet is not their site.

I'm mostly with biggun here. It's great to see the continued development of PPaint, but asking to for existing versions from Aminet to be removed seems like a bad move.

Here is the license, if anyone is interested: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EBjy10KY

[Minuous]

Did anyone else notice this part buried inside the EULA:

"Publication or distribution of any part of this archive without the
prior written license from Cloanto constitutes acceptance of a licensing
contract and fee to be determined by Cloanto, at a cost in no case lower
than EUR 10000.00, payable to Cloanto immediately upon publication or
distribution."

This demonstrates the likely reason it was released in the first place: hoping that someone would mirror the file for the benefit of the community, then they could threaten to sue them for millions of euros to force an out-of-court settlement, just like eg. the MPAA do. Even though EULAs in general, and completely ridiculous and unfair clauses like this one in particular, have no legal force. It really is a good example of Cloanto's philosophy of screwing the community.

[Djole]

Quick, get your tin hat!

[Niding]

Did anyone else notice this part buried inside the EULA:

"Publication or distribution of any part of this archive without the
prior written license from Cloanto constitutes acceptance of a licensing
contract and fee to be determined by Cloanto, at a cost in no case lower
than EUR 10000.00, payable to Cloanto immediately upon publication or
distribution."

This demonstrates the likely reason it was released in the first place: hoping that someone would mirror the file for the benefit of the community, then they could threaten to sue them for millions of euros to force an out-of-court settlement, just like eg. the MPAA do. Even though EULAs in general, and completely ridiculous and unfair clauses like this one in particular, have no legal force. It really is a good example of Cloanto's philosophy of screwing the community.

Screwing the community? What are you on about? Ive had Amiga Forever for many years and actually find their product easy to use and enjoyable. They have never charged me for anything I didnt order, so I for one do not feel "screwed".
I do realise that the package they sell/deliver can be assembled by myself for the most part, but for some the few euros they ask for a "one click for complete solution" is WELL worth it.

So, unless you have any spesific cases where Clantao have gone out of their ways to hammer a poor unsuspecting soul into the ground on legality, you should maybe rethink your accusations.

All that aside; a COMMERCIAL entity do have to protect their investment with legal mumbo jumbo. Considering the sentiment of some in this "community" (and Im sure that holds true outside too), everything should be free (and if not; pirated). Its no wonder developers/software houses got an army of lawyers.

I pay Spotify 99 nkr a month for premium music access, and havent given it a second thought. I love the seamless access to music anywhere.
Same goes for AF emulation package, and thats a one time investment.

[Minuous]

This is nothing really to do with Amiga Forever or Spotify, I'm not sure of the relevance.

>So, unless you have any spesific cases where Clantao have gone out of their ways to hammer a poor unsuspecting soul into the ground on legality, you should maybe rethink your accusations.

Well, there was the bluehost incident a few years back.

Anyway, the fact that they haven't to my knowledge attempted to sue anyone over PPaint probably just means they are fully aware that these kinds of licence terms are completely unenforcable and would be laughed out of court.

But it looks like it was A-EON after all behind the removal from Aminet, and then they falsely tried to blame Cloanto for it: "will continue to make historical version of Personal Paint available for free download and that includes the version of PPaint that Cloanto removed from Aminet." and then silently edited their post later to remove this false claim without any explanation.

[Yasu]

Why the hell must some people turn every good thing that happens to this community into some sort of "proof" that something evil is in the works ...

Let's face it guys, Amiga will never get a comeback. At this rate we will never be a viable commercial platform again. DESPITE THAT some people are actually investing time and money, even though it's pretty damn likely they will never see that money again and could have spent that time more productively someplace else.

Amiga, in all flavours, have been redused to a hobby OS. Nothing more, nothing less. With that in mind it makes more sense that some people want to invest money into this project anyway. They do it for fun, they do it for love and not to make any serious money out of it.

SO BACK OFF! When something good happens to our small (but obviously enternally angry) camp we should celibrate, not attack at the smallest of details.

You don't like that Personal Paint has been removed from Aminet? HUH? If you so desperately want it, just google it or go to piratebay, wait for it to be available for free again or ... I don't know, BUY IT now when it's actually being developed again.

I swear, Trevor and the guys must be real masochists if they have to get this kind of beating every god damn time thye do anything good and still come back for seconds.

Sorry 'bout the rant. I just got pissed off.

[Niding]

Why the hell must some people turn every good thing that happens to this community into some sort of "proof" that something evil is in the works ...

Let's face it guys, Amiga will never get a comeback. At this rate we will never be a viable commercial platform again. DESPITE THAT some people are actually investing time and money, even though it's pretty damn likely they will never see that money again and could have spent that time more productively someplace else.

Amiga, in all flavours, have been redused to a hobby OS. Nothing more, nothing less. With that in mind it makes more sense that some people want to invest money into this project anyway. They do it for fun, they do it for love and not to make any serious money out of it.

SO BACK OFF! When something good happens to our small (but obviously enternally angry) camp we should celibrate, not attack at the smallest of details.

You don't like that Personal Paint has been removed from Aminet? HUH? If you so desperately want it, just google it or go to piratebay, wait for it to be available for free again or ... I don't know, BUY IT now when it's actually being developed again.

I swear, Trevor and the guys must be real masochists if they have to get this kind of beating every god damn time thye do anything good and still come back for seconds.

Sorry 'bout the rant. I just got pissed off.

+1

Download available and working now (albeit a bit slow download speed).

[F0LLETT]

But it looks like it was A-EON after all behind the removal from Aminet, and then they falsely tried to blame Cloanto for it: "will continue to make historical version of Personal Paint available for free download and that includes the version of PPaint that Cloanto removed from Aminet." and then silently edited their post later to remove this false claim without any explanation.

Obviously he made a mistake.

I still fail to see what the issue is here. Its gone from Aminet, live with it.
It will still be available from Amistore server as a free download.

So lets sum up, its moved from one location to another.
So nothing has changed, still not seeing the issue here.

[Rob]

This demonstrates the likely reason it was released in the first place: hoping that someone would mirror the file for the benefit of the community, then they could threaten to sue them for millions of euros to force an out-of-court settlement

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Aminet and it's mirrors for the benefit of the community?  Would there really be a need to host it elsewhere?

[apa]

Why the hell must some people turn every good thing that happens to this community into some sort of "proof" that something evil is in the works ...

Let's face it guys, Amiga will never get a comeback. At this rate we will never be a viable commercial platform again. DESPITE THAT some people are actually investing time and money, even though it's pretty damn likely they will never see that money again and could have spent that time more productively someplace else.

Amiga, in all flavours, have been redused to a hobby OS. Nothing more, nothing less. With that in mind it makes more sense that some people want to invest money into this project anyway. They do it for fun, they do it for love and not to make any serious money out of it.

SO BACK OFF! When something good happens to our small (but obviously enternally angry) camp we should celibrate, not attack at the smallest of details.

You don't like that Personal Paint has been removed from Aminet? HUH? If you so desperately want it, just google it or go to piratebay, wait for it to be available for free again or ... I don't know, BUY IT now when it's actually being developed again.

I swear, Trevor and the guys must be real masochists if they have to get this kind of beating every god damn time thye do anything good and still come back for seconds.

Sorry 'bout the rant. I just got pissed off.

+1

[Minuous]

I must be mistaken in thinking that you are the programmer who I donated a G4 MacMini MorphOS system to years ago, with the hopes that you would produce some useful software, or at least port some existing software of your own, or others, to the MorphOS platform.

I have done so, and I continue to do so, as a quick glance at Aminet or my site will indicate. (Or I can list them all here for you.) Are you suggesting I have done otherwise?

I would think that as a programmer, you would support the right of other programmers to do what ever they want with their code, including trying to sell it in any way that they choose.

I never said they shouldn't develop new versions of PPaint and sell them.

I doubt that Trevor Dickinson will ever make a single penny of profit from our community, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars developing new hardware for those interested in running AmigaOS4.x on PPC computers

Maybe or maybe not; certainly the profit margins on those machines are excessive. So if they can't turn a profit, maybe they should rethink their business model, eg. to go to open hardware, as people have been suggesting for years. But that's another topic.

I believe that even the members of our community who dislike the products currently available from A-Eon, or who dislike the decisions they have made on the direction they support AmigaOS4.x users (which is not the only part of the community they support), would agree that Trevor and A-Eon deserve some credit for at least attempting to do something, while so many others just complain and do nothing.

It is people who act like you just did Minuous, who make me sick, and wonder why anyone would act that way.  Like his products and services or not, and agree or disagree with his decisions on how to support our community, what gives you the right to ask him to leave our community and to accuse him falsely, as you have done?

I never asked him to leave the community, I don't see where you are getting this idea from. But clearly it doesn't help the community to remove software from Aminet like this without warning, and then lie about it.

Here's what has happened:
a) A-EON pressures Aminet to remove software.
b) I and others blame A-EON for doing this.
c) A-EON says "Also we will continue to make historical version of Personal Paint available for free download and that includes the version of PPaint that Cloanto removed from Aminet." thus attempting to shift blame onto Cloanto.
d) I accept his words as truth, apologize for thinking it was A-EON at fault, and blame Cloanto.
e) Further information comes to light proving it was A-EON all along, and that they have lied.
f) A-EON edits post to remove false claim without explanation.

That makes me pretty angry, that he spreads lies like this, he should not blame other companies for the actions of his company, it's just a matter of professionalism. It's not a matter of liking the products or not. I don't believe I have made any accusations that are false (except blaming Cloanto, which was based on taking A-EON at their word, a mistake I won't make again), maybe you could give an example...?

[F0LLETT]

I have done so, and I continue to do so, as a quick glance at Aminet or my site will indicate. (Or I can list them all here for you.) Are you suggesting I have done otherwise?



I never said they shouldn't develop new versions of PPaint and sell them.



Maybe or maybe not; certainly the profit margins on those machines are excessive. So if they can't turn a profit, maybe they should rethink their business model, eg. to go to open hardware, as people have been suggesting for years. But that's another topic.

I believe that even the members of our community who dislike the products currently available from A-Eon, or who dislike the decisions they have made on the direction they support AmigaOS4.x users (which is not the only part of the community they support), would agree that Trevor and A-Eon deserve some credit for at least attempting to do something, while so many others just complain and do nothing.



I never asked him to leave the community, I don't see where you are getting this idea from. But clearly it doesn't help the community to remove software from Aminet like this without warning, and then lie about it.

Here's what has happened:
a) A-EON pressures Aminet to remove software.
b) I and others blame A-EON for doing this.
c) A-EON says "Also we will continue to make historical version of Personal Paint available for free download and that includes the version of PPaint that Cloanto removed from Aminet." thus attempting to shift blame onto Cloanto.
d) I accept his words as truth, apologize for thinking it was A-EON at fault, and blame Cloanto.
e) Further information comes to light proving it was A-EON all along, and that they have lied.
f) A-EON edits post to remove false claim without explanation.

That makes me pretty angry, that he spreads lies like this, he should not blame other companies for the actions of his company, it's just a matter of professionalism. It's not a matter of liking the products or not. I don't believe I have made any accusations that are false (except blaming Cloanto, which was based on taking A-EON at their word, a mistake I won't make again), maybe you could give an example...?

Your just going to keep going on about this.
Trevor obviously made a mistake and corrected as its not fair to cloanto.

I can see we are not going to get any where here. As you will continue to ignore posts and post what you want.

[apa]

That makes me pretty angry,

Ok. Moderators. please moderate - Start a new thread or something for discussions like the one quoted. I guess most of us  wants to read about the new features of the new personal paint in this thread.  How, when, were. Not about personal feelings against company X or whatever else.