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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #59 from previous page: November 24, 2014, 09:25:18 PM »
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Our roadmap is:
*Vampire release (600/500)
*Phoenix CPU card release (500/1000/2000)
*Phoenix CPU card releases (1200/3000/4000)
* Standalone system


So standalone system will be released somewhere around 2017.. ?
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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2014, 09:33:00 PM »
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So standalone system will be released somewhere around 2017.. ?

Haha, it's a trap!  Never give a specific date otherwise people will hold you to it and roast you over a flame in public forums if you miss it.  Or in other words, "Two more weeks!"  ;)
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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2014, 12:03:18 AM »
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Haha, it's a trap!  Never give a specific date otherwise people will hold you to it and roast you over a flame in public forums if you miss it.  Or in other words, "Two more weeks!"  ;)


haha but we have been waiting for something to happen since 1994!!!.
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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2014, 01:42:53 AM »
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Am I the only one who would want '040/'060 compatibility, and not just "a really fast 68000"?  Oh well, nice to dream, anyway!  ;)

Hell NO! I am right there with you. This '030 I have is OK, but I would love an '060.....
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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2014, 02:19:46 AM »
Quote from: biggun;778147
Our roadmap is:
*Vampire release (600/500)
*Phoenix CPU card release (500/1000/2000)
*Phoenix CPU card releases (1200/3000/4000)
* Standalone system

Where does my CDTV and/or CD32 Phoenix accelerator fit into your roadmap? :laughing:

Thanks for clearing up my confusion Gunnar!

I was getting dizzy jumping on and then off and then back on, the bandwagon of supporters who want a super fast Amiga 680x0 accelerator and/or clone stand alone system.  Are additional instructions from the 68020, 030, 040, & 060 being added to the 68000 Soft-Core design, so it will eventually be able to run AmigaOS3.9?

Is the Cyclone5 FPGA the chip that you are planning on using for the Phoenix accelerators?   How much does the Cyclone5 cost per chip and how much more expensive will the Phoenix accelerators be than the $90 Vampire boards (or is the $90 just the cost of the FPGA on the Vampire board)?

If only the FPGA technology had been available 10 years ago at cheap prices, maybe the whole switch to PPC would never have happened (but it probably would not have changed anything actually).

It will be very interesting over the next few years, to see what software will be back ported from MorphOS and/or AmigaOS4.x to AmigaOS3.x when 68k Amiga computers suddenly have 2 to 4 times more power and speed than ever before.
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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2014, 06:42:33 AM »
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Are additional instructions from the 68020, 030, 040, & 060 being added to the 68000 Soft-Core design, so it will eventually be able to run AmigaOS3.9?

Sure.
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Is the Cyclone5 FPGA the chip that you are planning on using for the Phoenix accelerators?

You use the future time form?
The accelerators are there already.
Here is a picture of them:
http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/A500v5_phoenixCPU.jpg

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  How much does the Cyclone5 cost per chip and how much more expensive will the Phoenix accelerators be than the $90 Vampire boards (or is the $90 just the cost of the FPGA on the Vampire board)?

The Vampire is sold for Euro 90 total.
The Phoenix card is not sold yet.
The Phoenix card will probably be sold for 250. We have to see what warrant, reseller etc will put on top of the prodcution cost.

 
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when 68k Amiga computers suddenly have 2 to 4 times more power and speed than ever before.

I'm happy when I have the CPU power to good view AVIs on my Amiga.
The CPU power is hard to "measure" with  a single number
as a CPU can have hundreds of different instructions and performance can vary in some areas.
In some areas the Phoenix-68K core already outruns Gigaherz PowerPC or Gigaherz Pentium 3 systems.

I doubt that the revival of the 68K will make a big change but its at least exciting and fun to use them.

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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2014, 07:56:37 PM »
1. A CPU add-on based upon a 68030 FPGA running at >200mhz.  Rather than the Natami Project's approach of adding more and more features to a brand new core, simplify the project by attempting to mock-up a bog standard 68030.  Run the 68030 at as high a mhz as supported by the FPGA.  As newer and faster FPGAs are released, roll out new CPU expansion cards.  This business model would likely be a boon for the classic Amiga community; classic Amigas would suddenly have a regular upgrade cycle again, one roughly tracking FPGA advances.

2. A new "Zorro IV" bus standard.
 Basically a new, high-clock FPGA buster chip.  The chip is intended to reside on a new FPGA expansion card (see item 1).  The physical "bus" is implemented via a cable connection to one or more "Zorro IV" cards residing in existing "Zorro II/III" slots.  The "Zorro II/III" slots provide the power to the cards, the bus cable handles data transfer to the CPU, and the new "Zorro IV" busmaster chip handles high-clock busmastering.  This approach would allow one to 1) add a high speed bus to existing legacy Amigas regardless of physical configuration; 2) re-use existing Zorro II/III slots; and 3) build upon the existing Zorro standard.

3. A new "Zorro IV" card standard.  See item 2.  The Zorro II/III card layout is reused.  Details are provided to vendors on the components needed to draw power from the Zorro II/III slot, the components needed to interface with the Zorro IV cable, and the components needed to adjust the clock of the card on the fly to that of the of the "Zorro IV" cable.

4. A new "Zorro IV" retargetable graphics card.  The higher "Zorro IV" bus speed would allow the use of more modern graphics chipsets.

5. A new "Zorro IV" network card.  Again, the higher "Zorro IV" bus speed would allow higher network bandwidth connections.

The end of all this is to enable classic Amigas to surf the internet.  A high clock CPU, high system bus speed, high resolution graphics, and high network throughput would in combination make classic systems far more usable for practical things (such as reading this site).  A cable-based bus would allow old hardware to be reused whatever the physical configuration.  An evolutionary reuse of technology such as the 86030, Zorro II/III sockets, retargetable graphics cards, buster, etc., would maintain legacy compatibility while truly expanding upon the Amiga's foundations.
 

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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2014, 10:26:59 PM »
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The end of all this is to enable classic Amigas to surf the internet. A high clock CPU, high system bus speed, high resolution graphics, and high network throughput would in combination make classic systems far more usable for practical things (such as reading this site).

Hey now, I can read this site just fine on my A2000 (using the proxy).  IMHO an updated web browser would go a long way to allow users of upgraded classic systems to browse the web.  Sure, you're not going to get Flash on a classic system, but I'd pay good money even for an update to Ibrowse!

All the hardware in the world isn't going to help if there's no software to run on it, but you have some good ideas.  :)
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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2014, 11:23:44 PM »
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Hey now, I can read this site just fine on my A2000 (using the proxy).  IMHO an updated web browser would go a long way to allow users of upgraded classic systems to browse the web.  Sure, you're not going to get Flash on a classic system, but I'd pay good money even for an update to Ibrowse!

All the hardware in the world isn't going to help if there's no software to run on it, but you have some good ideas.  :)


Or users.  A lot of us Classic enthusiasts are starting to get a bit "long in the tooth". Perhaps we need some kind of "elixir of life" to keep the classic market alive?
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Re: What would you buy for classic Amiga?
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2014, 12:06:36 AM »
I would pay more than €800 for an accelerator+rtg+sata for A1200 and 4000(t) that has the power to display 32bit 1080p and allows me to watch 1080p (or at least 720p) videos. (I can only afford one for my 4000T though :P)

I also would like to be able to play a game like Quake3 at 60fps. If it has a powerpc processor that can run OS4.1 that would be extra nice ;)

That's the only thing left I would like for my classic Amiga to make it totally future proof. I don't see it as a retro machine anyway. :)

The card doesn't need to have usb or ethernet (but maybe onboard sound) since they are satisfactory with Xsurf100 and RapidRoad.
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