Poll: what do you think about PPC emulation in WinUAE?

[OlafS3]

I could not find an an option in the poll that suits me:

I believe that PPC emulation in WinUAE will benefit OS4 (increased sales and user base) but will heavily damage AmigaOne PPC hardware vendors and their partners (A-EON, ACube and Amigakit). And this last issue is not a bad thing, as they will certainly have to redesign their business propositions in this respect (get competitive or die).

Regarding Acube you are wrong if you think they would propably lower prices for their hardware because of PPC emulation

Look at their page:
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=company

their slogan is: "Power for your embedded ideas" and then look at their partners. Hyperion certainly is neither the biggest nor most important one. They propably earn their money selling PPC hardware for industrial purposes with Linux (and other OSs) installed or do you think that the handful amiga fans make their living? So why should they lower prices then?

[persia]

It's a sign of the apocalypse.

Seriously, if I can run OS 4.x well enough on it I'm more than happy to plunk down a hundred euros to play with it.  I can't see this being anything but a good thing.

[billt]

It's a sign of the apocalypse.

No, it isn't. It's been explained to me that the universe is just fine until I get my MythTV box working the way I want it. And that hasn't come out of the garage since we moved. So we're all safe. Be happy and all that...

[nicholas]

I could not find an an option in the poll that suits me:

I believe that PPC emulation in WinUAE will benefit OS4 (increased sales and user base) but will heavily damage AmigaOne PPC hardware vendors and their partners (A-EON, ACube and Amigakit). And this last issue is not a bad thing, as they will certainly have to redesign their business propositions in this respect (get competitive or die).

+1 to that.

I'm hoping that Cloanto have the right to distribute OS4 and 4.1 with Amiga Forever.

[Glittering]

I don't agree with the above comment. A lot of people who use UAE are just freeloaders and don't want to come back to the platform.

Holy sh1t! People are still so bloody hostile in this microscopic community and as for free loading. I bet you or any one else does not use emulators with roms but instead just go around shining your halos and walking on water.

I've not been on this site in ages and its sad how the same nonsense is so alive and well (like time has stood still) but you think new users would buy a rip off Amiga x1000 for £2125 ?

[AltRN8]

I bought a copy of Amiga OS 4 Classic the minute I heard this was happening. I've been dying to run OS 4 but could never swing the cost for the expensive hardware. I'm more than happy to pay for the OS and I know there are others who would as well. I really hope the developers embrace this move.

[psxphill]

I shudder to think that Hyperion would ever "lock" OS4 down so it wouldn't run on UAE at all. They have made many a perceived blunder over the years, but I'd be shocked if they shut the door on UAE users wanting to buy OS4. A sale is a sale, after all.

At the moment OS4 is an exclusive club that you have to pay a premium to join, like owning a Lamborghini.

If everyone had a Lamborghini then it wouldn't be so special and people would just scrap them because of the fuel cost and the impracticality of parking, breakdowns and catching fire.

Hyperion is unlikely to be able to prevent people from running OS4 on UAE, but UAE is likely to make it less desirable to run OS4 on real hardware and without the real hardware then why bother with OS4.

[agami]

At the moment OS4 is an exclusive club that you have to pay a premium to join, like owning a Lamborghini.

If everyone had a Lamborghini then it wouldn't be so special and people would just scrap them because of the fuel cost and the impracticality of parking, breakdowns and catching fire.

Hyperion is unlikely to be able to prevent people from running OS4 on UAE, but UAE is likely to make it less desirable to run OS4 on real hardware and without the real hardware then why bother with OS4.

AmigaOS 4.1.x is so not a Lamborghini. The reason a Lamborghini is so coveted by motorists the world over is because it is a finely honed specimen of a sports car, everything about it has the look and feel of performance engineering.

Worst analogy ever.

And even if it were, taking a Lamborghini for a test drive is nowhere near the same thing as owning one, and if I don't end up buying a Lamborghini afterwards then I was probably never going to buy it in the first place.

This seems to be a very personal thing for you.

If the only reason to buy into AmigaOS 4.1.x is to feel superior to others than you are missing the point of an operating system; The more people that run it the better.

But sleep soundly, because:

• OS 4.1 for Classic is a lesser version of OS 4.1
• It is not actively developed and there are no published plans to add the features of OS 4.2 (not that there are many published plans)
• It will be a long time before the emulation catches up to the speed of a SAM 440/460 so it's not breaking any speed records anytime soon

And if it makes you feel better we'll form our own club. We'll call it 'The Inclusive AmigaOS 4 for Classic Club'. Our club motto will be "We'll never be as good as the real AmigaOS 4 users, and that's OK."

[wiser3]

I see no need for me to run Amiga OS4 for classic.

My PC does everything modern that i need and WinUAE already runs the older Amiga OS's for all my nostalgic needs.

Would would i gain in running OS4 for classic?

[Hans_]

I think that some people are greatly overestimating the possible negative impact that WinUAE + decent PowerPC emulation could have. When, in the history of computing, has the existence of an emulator ever killed off the sales of hardware or an OS? I certainly can't think of any examples.

People will still want to run AmigaOS 4.x on actual hardware. In the meantime, WinUAE could give them a cheaper entry to try it out (only need to buy the OS).

Hans

[esc]

I bought Amiga hardware from Amikit, Elbox, and Individual (Jens) after not using Amigas for about 20+ years and stumbling on WinUAE/Amiga Forever. This has potential to fuel interest in NG Amiga technology, even if only on the software side.

And I've never understood the hostility in this community that some people have.

[Dr. Chef]

I would like to try OS 4.x on WIN UAE, but only if speeds were great for daily use (comparable to hardware). Question, would modern OS 4 software run on OS 4 classic edition? I would totally turn my headless laptop that I painted red into a NG Amiga.

Edit: Looking at the comments, I'll back off for now, until it is fast compared to modern hardware.

[magnetic]

Dr chef
Yes you will be able to run os4 software. Its just a matter of speed optimizations so maybe in a year we will have real cyberstorm speed which aint bad. Especially with pc gfx and power behind it.

[Manu]

I don't think much of it. I propably never will try it because i hate PPC so much I even hate PPC emulation.  Why? Because it has helped kill amiga being the dead end that it is. It made new amiga systems slow and over-expensive. Thanks.

[itix]

I think that some people are greatly overestimating the possible negative impact that WinUAE + decent PowerPC emulation could have. When, in the history of computing, has the existence of an emulator ever killed off the sales of hardware or an OS? I certainly can't think of any examples.

WinUAE pretty much killed Amiga accelerator market. Suddenly it was not required to invest thousands to get decently fast Amiga.

[OlafS3]

WinUAE pretty much killed Amiga accelerator market. Suddenly it was not required to invest thousands to get decently fast Amiga.

You mean without UAE people would have bought the very expensive accellerators? I can only speak for myself, without UAE and only have the choice to buy extremely expensive hardware I would not have started again.

And the accellerators would have been too expensive, amiga user always had to pay more for the same than on other platforms

you could say the non-working "milk a shrinking market" strategy