"New" amiga hardware

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@biggun

Vampire 500 is a project and dont know what is phoenix, phoenix reminds me to natami.

@ppcamiga1

This is the most stupid post ever.

[Yasu]

@ppcamiga1

It really really depends on what you mean by "Amiga".

1. If Amiga is a computer running AmigaOS or something very similar then yes, AmigaOnes are Amiga, as well as PPC Macs running MorphOS or AROS running on PC.

2. If Amiga is a computer with a series of special chips, then nothing after Commodore/Escom and some of the clones can be called an Amiga. It's doubtful even if the Draco could be called one in that case.

3. If Amiga is a computer running AmigaOS or an OS based on it's source code then AmigaOne is an Amiga and not MorphOS nor AROS.

4. If Amiga is a culture rather than a specific technical solution, then everything trying to be Amiga-like is Amiga.

Strictly speaking, I think (2) is right, but I live by the rule that (4) is right because it's much more fun that way

[biggun]

@biggun

Vampire 500 is a project and phoenix dont know what is at the moment.

I don't understand you post.
Maybe you can rephrase this?

[ElPolloDiabl]

Did he mean the Commodore One is not an Amiga?

P.S. The PowerPC chip costs $500 alone. That is not going to help bring more people in and develop a market.

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@biggun

Edited, sorry.

[biggun]

@biggun

Edited, sorry.

Hmm.
I still don't understand ....

Vampire600 is a CPU upgrade card for classic AMIGA
Of these some were sold to AMIGA users

Vampire500 is a CPU upgrade card for classic AMIGA
Of the V500 prodotypes were produced and are used by some.

APOLLO/PHOENIX is a CPU upgrade card for classic AMIGA
Of these prodotypes were produced and are used by some.

NATAMI is a complete system
Of the NATAMI several generations were produced.
And some low number of those are used by people.

The Phoenix-CPU is an 68K CPU core which can be instantiated and used by all of the above.
Pictures of the Vampire 600 and Apollo/Phoenix Card
as well as AMIGA Software running those you see on the bring up thread here.

http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/

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@biggun

OK... then, where can i purchase apollo/phoenix or natami?

[biggun]

@biggun

OK... then, where can i purchase apollo/phoenix or natami?

Do you not know what bring-up means?

It means testing and debugging of new hardware after it was developed and _before_ you sell it.


You understand this right?

1) First you design something

2) Then you test it and verify that it runs 100%

3) Then you sell it to people

[wawrzon]

@ppcamiga1

It really really depends on what you mean by "Amiga".

1. If Amiga is a computer running AmigaOS or something very similar then yes, AmigaOnes are Amiga, as well as PPC Macs running MorphOS or AROS running on PC.

2. If Amiga is a computer with a series of special chips, then nothing after Commodore/Escom and some of the clones can be called an Amiga. It's doubtful even if the Draco could be called one in that case.

3. If Amiga is a computer running AmigaOS or an OS based on it's source code then AmigaOne is an Amiga and not MorphOS nor AROS.

4. If Amiga is a culture rather than a specific technical solution, then everything trying to be Amiga-like is Amiga.

Strictly speaking, I think (2) is right, but I live by the rule that (4) is right because it's much more fun that way

macro system, the company behind draco has never tried to disguise it as amiga. it was a compatible computer in its own right meant for particular application. i dont even now how did they licensed and adopted the kickstart but it must have been done properly.

at least i don know anyone referring to his draco as amiga. in comparison amigaone owners constantly insist that they computers are true and official amigas, even though they are actually not allowed to be called that.

[Thorham]

Amigaone is not an amiga, maybe you are joking.

Truer words have never been spoken

AmigaOne is Amiga and AmigaOne is better Amiga than crap which Commodore made after 1990.

What a load of bovine excrement.

It really really depends on what you mean by "Amiga".

No, it doesn't. Amiga is a line of computers produced by Commodore, and later Escom. How anyone can think anything else is completely beyond me, and I find it absolutely ridiculous. A computer IS NOT an Amiga just because it runs AmigaOS. The thought that the OS defines what a computer is, is astoundingly obtuse, and batty as hell.

I know I should shut up about this, I really do, but this kind of utter stupidity is ONLY found in the Amiga community, and sometimes I find it very hard to not complain about this.

[Yasu]

No, it doesn't. Amiga is a line of computers produced by Commodore, and later Escom. How anyone can think anything else is completely beyond me, and I find it absolutely ridiculous. A computer IS NOT an Amiga just because it runs AmigaOS. The thought that the OS defines what a computer is, is astoundingly obtuse, and batty as hell.

So you are a fan of interpretation (2) I see

Like I said, I rather go for the version that included everything Amiga-like since it's much more fun to be inclusive. But yes, strictly speaking (2) is correct IMO.

[wawrzon]

AmigaOne is Amiga and AmigaOne is better Amiga than crap which Commodore made after 1990.

in what way its better than our "crap"?
because there is no technical invention in those "amigaones" that would make them unique, just only the standard pc components, only either broken by design or totally outdated at release?

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@biggun

Yes bring up... i know the process, but you dont understand, you still talking about natami like was in progress, apollo/phoenix can follow the same way.

[eliyahu]

@thread

ok. this bitch-fest about amigaone being better than classic amiga or amigaone not being amiga ends now. it is off-topic and inflammatory.

this will be the only warning on the subject.

-- eliyahu

[kickstart]

Moderation... on a serius amiga forum users like ppcamiga1 will be banned =)

[ppcamiga1]

Amiga is computer which run Amiga Os.

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