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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2014, 08:24:00 PM »
Yes, a 030 would probably have done better.
 

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2014, 09:48:15 PM »
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im not sure anymore but i always sort of expected math libs to provide soft fpu emulation.
True, but that works in a different way. It's not by emulating the FPU instructions - and if you had to emulate the FPU instructions, much more had to be done in the math libs than is done currently. The FPU instructions not only deliver the direct result in a register, they also set condition codes, probably "inexact bits", the quotient bit... Many tiny bits and pieces that make a full emulation more complex than a simple library.

The difference between an "illegal instruction" and an "unimplemented opcode" is that the former is often used as a "trap" representation for debugging (or other uses), and the later "often" provides additional information for the emulation of the instruction. Ok, Motorola removed all of that for the 060 and left it to the programmer to fiddle out the addressing mode, but it's really a different story whether an instruction "should be there but isn't", or is really not part of the ABI.

One way or another, Mot had a point in allocating a separate interrupt vector for that so you could distinguish whether your program actually went bezerk, or some library had to clean up behind the CPU.
 

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2014, 12:08:37 AM »
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The result of 3.5 MB/sec is actually the best possible result on a 16bit AMIGA.
I'm not sure if this is normal to reach.
What do other cards reach on 16bit AMIGAs?

Can't speak for 16-bit (I don't remember what my borrowed 040 did), but my CS060 MK1 was consistent 3.5/7 in my 4000. It was considered a good implementation AFAIR.
I think some of the 1200 accelerators were struggling...
 

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2014, 06:44:14 AM »
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Can't speak for 16-bit (I don't remember what my borrowed 040 did), but my CS060 MK1 was consistent 3.5/7 in my 4000. It was considered a good implementation AFAIR.
I think some of the 1200 accelerators were struggling...

Yes, according to this database no AMIGA card was able to saturate the bus.
http://amiga.resource.cx/perf/sysspeed.html

A4000/CyberStorm                   Chipread=4.4 of 7.0 possible
A1200/CyberStorm III               Chipread=3.3 of 7.0 possible
A2000/G-Force 030 (030/50)  Chipread=2.0 of 3.5 possible
A600/Apollo 630 (030/40          Chipread=1.9 of 3.5 possible

Looks like the Vampire from Majsta is the first card for the AMIGA which reaches 100% buspeed.

Does someone has some results for other cards that you can still buy today?
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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2014, 03:52:57 PM »
some more updates as promissed

http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #79 on: September 29, 2014, 04:31:41 PM »
On the Sysinfo benchmark would it ever show up at a faster speed? Can it be optimised further?
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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #80 on: September 29, 2014, 04:44:01 PM »
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On the Sysinfo benchmark would it ever show up at a faster speed? Can it be optimised further?


Yes this is a debug/development build only.
I think in the end about 10% better is reasonable to assume.

This result is the same for the Vampire 600 and the Vampire 500.
The Apollo/Phoenix card is a lot faster though....

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #81 on: September 29, 2014, 06:18:40 PM »
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  If You want to have a better amiga than those made by Commodore,
buy AmigaOne.

Sorry but amigaone has nothing todo with amiga, hope I dont banned for say this. I have been a commodore user since 1983 (vic20), c-128, amiga, etc.

But what we want is a update amiga.
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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #82 on: September 29, 2014, 06:26:13 PM »
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But what we want is a update amiga.
Not me. I want newly made A1200 computers without updated chip sets and with nice 68030s or 68060s and modern connectivity. If only I was filthy rich :(
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #83 on: September 29, 2014, 07:07:57 PM »
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Yes this is a debug/development build only.
I think in the end about 10% better is reasonable to assume.

This result is the same for the Vampire 600 and the Vampire 500.
The Apollo/Phoenix card is a lot faster though....


gunnar as i see it you achieve 060+ class speed on a vampire card!¿:O
this really aint bad.
as far i see the caches dont get recognized, or arent there any? if so i guess it could still have some serious impact, but i wonder if there is any space left.

anyway im most curious how your accelerator will get off..
 

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #84 on: September 29, 2014, 07:24:26 PM »
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Not me. I want newly made A1200 computers without updated chip sets and with nice 68030s or 68060s and modern connectivity. If only I was filthy rich :(


Yes... or a expansion "all in one" ethernet, usb, scandoubler... in working state not betas or fw fails.
a1200 060
 

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2014, 07:25:19 PM »
Why some developers choose the amiga 600? Is not popular like 500 or 1200.
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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2014, 07:28:05 PM »
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Why some developers choose the amiga 600? Is not popular like 500 or 1200.


Why not?

We have three card supporting Phoenix.

1) Vampire 600 (for Amiga 600)
64MB fast

2) Vampire 500 (for Amiga 500/ and others)
64MB fast
+ IDE Controller

3) Apollo/Phoenix (for Amiga 500/ and others)
128MB Fast
+ SDCard

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2014, 07:28:46 PM »
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If You want to have a better amiga than those made by Commodore,
buy AmigaOne.


Amigaone is not an amiga, maybe you are joking.
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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2014, 07:42:57 PM »
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Amigaone is not an amiga, maybe you are joking.

AmigaOne is Amiga and AmigaOne is better Amiga than crap which Commodore made after 1990.
 

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Re: "New" amiga hardware
« Reply #89 from previous page: September 29, 2014, 08:01:44 PM »
@biggun

Vampire 500 is a project and dont know what is phoenix, phoenix reminds me to natami.

@ppcamiga1

This is the most stupid post ever.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2014, 08:09:21 PM by kickstart »
a1200 060