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Offline Gulliver

Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #119 from previous page: June 27, 2014, 02:58:07 PM »
Going back to the original topic:

I would like to see from Jens an A1200 68030 accelerator that had a socket for an optional FPU and that didnt require any mysterious motherboard fix to work, nor custom software to switch it on.

It would also be nice if it could have a real time clock built-in, and not available separately (which now costs more than 10% of the value of the accelerator itself).

21 years ago a company did that (Phase 5), but somehow, today (2014), it seems it cant be done for some odd reason that eludes me.

And hey, I am not even talking about a SCSI interface!

I just dont get it why we get inferior products despite all the technical progress that has been done in these past decades.
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #120 on: June 27, 2014, 03:29:39 PM »
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Going back to the original topic:
And hey, I am not even talking about a SCSI interface!


Why not a standard sata interface so we don't have to hunt down expensive, small, failing scsi drives (which for example I have huge trouble finding here) or scside adapters worth $250.
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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #121 on: June 27, 2014, 03:47:11 PM »
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Why not a standard sata interface so we don't have to hunt down expensive, small, failing scsi drives (which for example I have huge trouble finding here) or scside adapters worth $250.


Because despite being the year 2014, we still get something worst than what was available in 1993!
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #122 on: June 27, 2014, 03:50:30 PM »
S-ATA is the way to go these days. Because the ATA interface has evolved to have some technical decency and it's the option with reasonable prices. SAS (serial SCSI) cost a fortune in comparision.

Regarding the 68060. To compete with the real thing any CPU would have to be as fast as 68060 @ 75 MHz. And then one has to make the decision if one should skip those instructions that Motorola did. Not doing it may cause incompabilities but it may actually be a better processor. So perhaps an configuration option would be suitable.
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #123 on: June 27, 2014, 04:26:56 PM »
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Why not a standard sata interface so we don't have to hunt down expensive, small, failing scsi drives (which for example I have huge trouble finding here) or scside adapters worth $250.

Why bother with a hard drive at all? Stick on a USB host port or even a SD card port and boot away.....
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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #124 on: June 27, 2014, 04:59:45 PM »
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Why bother with a hard drive at all? Stick on a USB host port or even a SD card port and boot away.....


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this is the hardware. The team is busy with getting it run with AmigaOS, testing, writing drivers and so on. It shall be available very soon so there will be certainly no changes at the configuration. I am already looking forward to it, first time to have new amiga hardware with a modern specification for many years. I accidently found the Natami project years ago and regained interest and was disappointed when it stopped and now I am happy that finally there will be something for the community.
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #125 on: June 27, 2014, 05:01:55 PM »
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S-ATA is the way to go these days. Because the ATA interface has evolved to have some technical decency and it's the option with reasonable prices. SAS (serial SCSI) cost a fortune in comparision.

Regarding the 68060. To compete with the real thing any CPU would have to be as fast as 68060 @ 75 MHz. And then one has to make the decision if one should skip those instructions that Motorola did. Not doing it may cause incompabilities but it may actually be a better processor. So perhaps an configuration option would be suitable.


I hope my posting I just made answers your question. The hardware will not be changed, they want it out soon and if they would start to make changes because of every additional wish the project would end like many others before.
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #126 on: June 27, 2014, 05:11:10 PM »
My post was more regarding wether to use SCSI or S-ATA in general terms. And the 68060 in long term. Once the CPU is in FPGA. Incremental changes are easy, in comparision when producing silicon or hardware.
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #127 on: June 27, 2014, 08:15:51 PM »
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S-ATA is the way to go these days. Because the ATA interface has evolved to have some technical decency and it's the option with reasonable prices. SAS (serial SCSI) cost a fortune in comparison.


SATA would be nice but the high speed transceiver lines require a more expensive fpga and are limited. PCIe also need the same lines. A standalone fpga board may get these later but an SD card is adequate for most retro storage space requirements, it's tiny, it's common and it's low power (Hopefully no need to upgrade the power supply of a 500).

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Regarding the 68060. To compete with the real thing any CPU would have to be as fast as 68060 @ 75 MHz. And then one has to make the decision if one should skip those instructions that Motorola did. Not doing it may cause incompatibilities but it may actually be a better processor. So perhaps an configuration option would be suitable.


Competing with the 68060 in speed shouldn't be a problem. Apollo will have several advantages:

much larger instruction fetch
stronger integer pipes
more instructions that can execute in both pipes (pOEP|sOEP)
code fusion/folding
some OoO instruction execution (MUL and DIV)
link stack (faster rts)
upgraded ISA and 64 bit MUL/DIV integer instructions return
much faster bit field instructions
much bigger caches (helps a lot with big programs)
faster memory

Phoenix will probably be available first without some of these advantages but most of these are in or provided for in the current Apollo design. The 68060 was a great processor for back in the day. It solved most of the 68k limitations with limited resources. It should have been the foundation for a series of new 68k processor designs but it was not fully optimized internally yet and was not given the resources to become more powerful. There is significant room for improvements.
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #128 on: June 27, 2014, 11:32:27 PM »
I think this is the wrong thread ? Jens would never make advanced HW like this, he is bringing us back to the past, giving us HW from 1991. The funny thing is this core is called Apollo...

This is the best thing since Vampire board !

I hope it will be available soon and make another revolution in Amiga hardware like Vampire did.

Please lets start another thread, just to make clear who made this possible....
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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #129 on: June 28, 2014, 12:06:23 AM »
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I hope it will be available soon and make another revolution in Amiga hardware like Vampire did.

Amen.
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #130 on: June 28, 2014, 12:13:38 AM »
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Please lets start another thread, just to make clear who made this possible....

the serbian guy? :D
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2014, 09:15:30 AM »
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the serbian guy? :D

No, but it isnt Jens thats for sure.


If Jens made this he would put SCART on this coz its more stable :)
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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #132 on: June 28, 2014, 12:12:42 PM »
Alright Jens is not a serbian. Good to know. Now my Amiga will run faster ;)
 

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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2014, 03:29:29 PM »
"(...) In addition to the binary license, Hyperion will grant Individual Computers access to the source code of the IDE driver for further development which may facilitate installation of AmigaOS 4.1 ..." http://icomp.de/news/news144_e.htm
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Re: A project I'd like to see from Jens...
« Reply #134 on: July 20, 2014, 10:00:56 PM »
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That is nice. It's fast enough for using the internet.

What would be nice is to get all Amiga platforms to remain compatible. 68k is there by default. PowerPC has the 2nd most software.
The only time it isn't an Amiga is when you have to use another OS to set something up.

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