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The man said: What? My Laptop had a shag with my Tablet?! No no no, that's just the Surface Pro 3. Why does this link remind me of it?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/20/tennessee_atm_outrage/
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I have I3 sandy bridge 3.30 ghz. (I might upgrade it to I5 Ivy bridge in Aug but I don't know yet.)This old computer has saved me. My AMD computer died.  The hard drive died. I guess I use whatever I can get by.

Yes, that was the core point I was trying to get across.
It all rather interchangeable these days.
If its fast enough and powerful enough, do I really care what its running on or what OS it uses?

Although, Microsoft and Intel ARE evil (Any company with a dominant market share tends to be).
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I second that motion.

Nothing about the Surface is Amiga related. If this forum wants to be a alternative OS site how about changing the domain to altos.org.

As for donating, why should I! Many Amiga businesses get free/cheap publicity flogging their products on here and it remains the fault of the Amiga.org not to pursue these businesses for higher contributions to keep this site active.


So don't read the thread. It's in the correct category.
Operating System Specific Discussions ยป Other Operating Systems

I've seen Mac OS discussed on here for years and if I'm not interested in the topic, I just don't read the post.
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Hey, that's super, and far be it from me to dole out advice in regards to what people do in their own beds.  :)

A $99 Android tablet is a better solution for the "cookie recipe" types, and that's just fine.  Sure beats paying $700 for an iPad to sit on the crapper playing Candy Crush like a good majority of iPad users do.

HP ePrint works terrible for me on my iPads, I know that much - and corporations still prefer wired over wireless anyways.  I've used the Lantronix solutions with far better success.  AirPlay (AirPrint) is not big in the enterprise by any stretch.


Duce, You hit on a another huge point for me and why I don't use Apple product, besides being a nearly vertically integrated monopoly, they don't follow standards very well. They also make their own "standards" that don't work with anyone else's products and are not enterprise friendly. (So much for a "standard.") AirPlay uses Bonjour which doesn't handle being routed, unless you spend for custom networking hardware, etc. It's a nightmare for Enterprise support and is really obviously designed for a home user single subnet network.

If someone likes Apple's closed ecosystem great but as you say, comparing a media consumption tablet like an iPad or Android Tablet to the Surface 3, isn't a good comparison.

As you allude to, did the iPad print to standard existing printers or did people need to go buy a special iPad compatible printer? That's not a standard, that's the tail wagging the dog. It only happened because Apple sold enough units that big companies said, well we better add Apple's custom protocol to our printers. With the trend in Apple iPhone and iPad market share, we might just see a time when large vendors don't think it's worth developing custom Apple only products.

So you end up with Enterprises needing solutions like NetIQ's Mobile iPrint servers solution, so that they can support their existing enterprise printer infrastructure, instead of Apple just supporting the standards based IPP(Internet Printing Protocol) system like virtually everyone else. The same can be said for Android printing, just so you don't think I'm only calling out Apple for not having Enterprise support in it's media consumption tablets.

Both vendors could have come up with a standard based "IPP lite" to build into their media consumption OS, and created a new standard for the entire industry to follow. Then printers could have supported all the new media consumption OS devices, even phones for printing right out of the box without vendor lock in. This is good for us consumers and hopefully a few others open their eyes to Apple being far worse for the overall ecosystem than other big vendors.
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whoever gets hurt that desktop isnt the everybodys darling, is sick. i have enough of desktop, or rather of those uncanny tower bricks under the table (with loose hard drives sticking out of them), because desktop is long dead, with 386, performa and amiga4000, sorry to say. now, who does really care of form factor of computers as soon as it is compact enough and does its job? i loved the a 600 and i like  surface. may we put this thread to death? its an amiga forum after all!


Laptops - Desktop is dead
Netbooks - Desktop is dead
Tablets - Desktop is dead

The mantra continues. The desktop serves as a place for high end power computing with expansion that isn't possible in any other form factor. The traditional desktop has morphed from a huge tower, to a mini-tower, to a desktop case, to something small enough to mount on the back of the monitor.

Don't get me wrong, portable devices have gained in power and for many people they are certainly good enough for everything that they do with a "computing" device. However, I think you'll find that "desktops" still have a very meaningful place in the computing world for some time to come. There are many job functions that don't require portability and many times when I get up off the couch to use my desktop so that I can more efficiently get the job done. Especially, when it comes to any kind of content creation.

Amazing how many people still connect a mouse and keyboard to their laptops when they really want to get something done.
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...Amazing how many people still connect a mouse and keyboard to their laptops when they really want to get something done.

:rtfm: Actually, I put up with the keyboard, but I still use a mouse.

And I have laptops, netbooks, AND tablets and I still have desktops (btw - you forgot - "cell phones will replace everything" - Ha!)
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Amazing how many people still connect a mouse and keyboard to their laptops when they really want to get something done.


I'll grant you the mouse thing (I always carry a wireless mouse with me), but I never connect a keyboard...

... mainly because I never buy a laptop without a full keyboard, at least a 17" screen and the ability to run games Like WoW at fast speeds with a good frame rate.  I still use the desktop when I get home though.  :D

As you say, crippled keyboards like you find on most laptops and touchpads just don't cut it.  The only reason I'm thinking of a tablet is because I travel so much and pulling my laptop out in the airport/plane is a pain.  If I do take the plunge then it will be an i5 or i7 running Windows.  Meanwhile, my Kindle Fire does quite well for non-work related stuff.
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Mice don't really interest me, I have carpal tunnel and so just use a track pad.
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And memory and graphics cards are also important, an i3 with a reasonable amount of ram (say 16 to 24 GB) and a GB or two graphics memory on a good card will perform better than an i5 starved on 4 or 8 GB of RAM and a cheap 512 Mb graphics card.
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And memory and graphics cards are also important, an i3 with a reasonable amount of ram (say 16 to 24 GB) and a GB or two graphics memory on a good card will perform better than an i5 starved on 4 or 8 GB of RAM and a cheap 512 Mb graphics card.

OMFG - The use of those two words "reasonable" and "starved" is just cracking me up.
The ever increasing spiral of hardware demands continue while nothing has really improved in far too long.
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Laptops - Desktop is dead
Netbooks - Desktop is dead
Tablets - Desktop is dead

The mantra continues. The desktop serves as a place for high end power computing with expansion that isn't possible in any other form factor. The traditional desktop has morphed from a huge tower, to a mini-tower, to a desktop case, to something small enough to mount on the back of the monitor.

Don't get me wrong, portable devices have gained in power and for many people they are certainly good enough for everything that they do with a "computing" device. However, I think you'll find that "desktops" still have a very meaningful place in the computing world for some time to come. There are many job functions that don't require portability and many times when I get up off the couch to use my desktop so that I can more efficiently get the job done. Especially, when it comes to any kind of content creation.

Amazing how many people still connect a mouse and keyboard to their laptops when they really want to get something done.


A docking station is an option to get advantage of desktop and mobile system. At the workplace I have the docking station with proper 24" display but when working abroad I just take my laptop away. Real desktop system could be more powerful but currently my laptop is good enough for my needs.

And when working abroad I always have separate mouse for my laptop. Some of my colleagues even carry an external keyboard in the bag.

On the other hand at home I am using almost exclusively Mac Mini and my PowerBook is not getting much attention anymore since I have got iPad which is better for quick surfing in living room, kitchen, bed etc...

They have pros and cons.
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an i3 with a reasonable amount of ram (say 16 to 24 GB) and a GB or two graphics memory on a good card will perform better than an i5 starved on 4 or 8 GB of RAM and a cheap 512 Mb graphics card.


16 to 24 GB of RAM, "reasonable", OMG!? And I thought I was stretching it when I put in 8GB instead of my originally planned 4GB in my latest Core i7 system! :lol:

If you are running Windows 7 like I do (I have actively been avoiding Win 8 this far), then I'd say that 4GB is really enough for most ("regular") people who will likely be utilizing some 50%-70% of this tops in their general usage patterns. Instead, I would say that a good way to *really* increase the general user experience with Windows, is to abandon HDD's for Windows and applications partitions (maybe have a big HDD (or a couble, perhaps RAID mirrored) for data and bulk storage), and go for a *fast* SSD instead.

I'd boldly claim that for most people in their line of general office work (as well as many peoples general computer usage patterns at home, *gamers excluded* of course), a desktop Win7 system based on a Haswell Core i3 with h87 chipset, a SSD like Samsung 840 pro, 4GB of fast RAM, and *NO* GFX card will be just fine! And the price tag for such a system will be very attractive, which will make sense for people/corporations in this ("regular"/office/"low-end") customer segment who doesn't like paying premium money for premium system resources they will likely never use anyway...

My experience says that gamer's usually aims for fast (and/or OC'd) Core i5/z87 systems which makes sense from a money/performance point of view, and focus their money spending on top notch GFX cards instead.

Core i7 mostly makes sense for workstation usage IMHO.

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Bah, an i3 with 4 GB ram and no graphics is barely a phone.
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When I put 8GB it made no difference. Windows defaults to using the Virtual memory. Put a faster hard drive in and increase the size of your virtual memory and Windows will be faster and crash less.
You can manually make the OS use a ram disk, but that is more things to set up.
By default Windows is horrible. If you trim down the default install you could get it running well.
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...being a nearly vertically integrated monopoly, they don't follow standards very well. They also make their own "standards" that don't work with anyone else's products and are not enterprise friendly...


That is so funny coming from an Amiga fan.  "Hello, kettle?!  It's pot.  You're black!"  I love these posts!
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