Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?

[kamelito]

OK...we already know the first browser was written for a NeXT box, AND now you've referenced the author of the browser.

And I still don't see how NeXT offered a vital advantage in creating a browser.

And this statement "At the time, the "X" close box was unique to NeXT" makes it sound like NeXT invented closing a Window which is silly.

 Interface Builder, Objective-C and the NextStep framework I suppose, he didn't say it was impossible on other platform, just that it'll take a lot more time. Now all of this exist on the Mac/iOS platforms  Kamelito

[guest7657]

OK...we already know the first browser was written for a NeXT box, AND now you've referenced the author of the browser.

And I still don't see how NeXT offered a vital advantage in creating a browser.

And this statement "At the time, the "X" close box was unique to NeXT" makes it sound like NeXT invented closing a Window which is silly.

TBL not only created the first browser but also the first server and the first web pages. He and Robert Cailliau created the concept of www:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

TBL was working at CERN where he could probably use any system available at that time on the market but for that project he choose NeXT.
I suppose programming tools available on NeXT must have been simply better for the task.

[bloodline]

OK...we already know the first browser was written for a NeXT box, AND now you've referenced the author of the browser.

Which answers your question really...

And I still don't see how NeXT offered a vital advantage in creating a browser.

Until you have had a chance to play with either OpenStep, GNUStep or Cocoa, I guess you'll never know.

The maturity of the aforementioned frameworks and the simplicity of the InterfaceBuilder coupled with the runtime flexibility of Objective-C make development of complex software (like a web browser) rather simple.

[Iggy]

Which answers your question really...



Until you have had a chance to play with either OpenStep, GNUStep or Cocoa, I guess you'll never know.

The maturity of the aforementioned frameworks and the simplicity of the InterfaceBuilder coupled with the runtime flexibility of Objective-C make development of complex software (like a web browser) rather simple.

I guess I'm just too jaded having worked with fairly decent GUIs when Win 3.0 was just being introduced and, of course working with some talented programmers.
While I can see the advantages, I can can also see it just would have been more work on another platform.

[bloodline]

I guess I'm just too jaded having worked with fairly decent GUIs when Win 3.0 was just being introduced and, of course working with some talented programmers.
While I can see the advantages, I can can also see it just would have been more work on another platform.

NeXTStep was the first of the modern operating systems (perhaps BEOS was the second?), operating systems built from the ground up using object oriented paradigms. Where Model-View-Controler abstractions were rigidly enforced, where complex applications could built quickly from a large well developed frameworks with little need to understand how the frameworks worked and no fear that an OS update would render your application broken, where event loops are a distant memory...

Even my (our) beloved AmigaOS feels old and clunky when compared to NeXTStep.

[Iggy]

Which answers your question really...



Until you have had a chance to play with either OpenStep, GNUStep or Cocoa, I guess you'll never know.

The maturity of the aforementioned frameworks and the simplicity of the InterfaceBuilder coupled with the runtime flexibility of Objective-C make development of complex software (like a web browser) rather simple.

Are we arguing about the value of OOP or the absolute necessity of using the NeXT platform to build a web browser?

[Iggy]

Are we arguing about the value of OOP or the absolute necessity of using the NeXT platform to build a web browser?

Weird, bloodline, I wrote that before I saw your last post.
In any case, whether the web was inevitable or not, the initial development WAS done on a NeXT system and that does deserve credit.

[Technoweenie]

This thread makes me want to cancel my lifetime membership.

[Iggy]

This thread makes me want to cancel my lifetime membership.

As long as you have properly washed your ass...

[ferrellsl]

As long as you have properly washed your ass...

Franko, please come back!  LOL!

[yssing]

Who cares what system was used so long ago.
If it had not been NeXT it would have been some thing else.

[Minuous]

>At the time, the "X" close box was unique to NeXT

Ah, that's who to blame for that misguided idea then. "X" already is used to mean "cancel" which is quite different to "close". The only thing worse is the awful MacOS "blank circle next to two other blank circles".

[Iggy]

Who cares what system was used so long ago.
If it had not been NeXT it would have been some thing else.

Thank you.

[Iggy]

Franko, please come back!  LOL!

I keep in touch with Frank,, he can be amusing.
Although his facination with squirrels borders on obcessive.

Keep in mind that a mod started this thread and it had a light hearted theme (if abusing a dead guy can be light hearted).

[bloodline]

Who cares what system was used so long ago.
If it had not been NeXT it would have been some thing else.

With all due respect, this has to be the dumbest comment in the thread, and it has plenty of competition!

The point was that NeXT was the first proper object oriented operating system, designed that way from the ground up. As such building a complex application in NeXT was (and still is, in many respects) much easier and quicker than on competing systems.

If it wasn't for that ease and simplicity, the web may have taken much longer to be developed, and possibly not developed and certainly not in the open form we know today!

[B00tDisk]

With all due respect, this has to be the dumbest comment in the thread, and it has plenty of competition!

The point was that NeXT was the first proper object oriented operating system, designed that way from the ground up. As such building a complex application in NeXT was (and still is, in many respects) much easier and quicker than on competing systems.

If it wasn't for that ease and simplicity, the web may have taken much longer to be developed, and possibly not developed and certainly not in the open form we know today!

Oh if only there'd been someone who could have conceived of hyper-media in a networked computer environment with a point and click interface.  Thank God that Steve Jobs invented it all in 1983.  Prior to that, we didn't even compute, we just beat rocks against each other hoping there was enough iron or tin in them to cause a spark that might leap to another rock, and so-on.  Then the son of heaven descended upon us, having caused computers to literally condense from the very essence of his thoughts and graced us with a user interface literally no-one had ever dreamed of before.