Classic VS NG

[psxphill]

I think the "buzz" you're talking about goes by another name "nostalgia".

How could that be when the buzz occurred when you were experiencing it for the first time?
 
I enjoyed games more when I was younger, not because they were better than they are now but because they were better than anything I'd seen at the time.
Plus I was young and care free.

[Amiga_Nut]

correct me if im wrong but hardwarewise i dont see any link at all.

Well the thing to remember is the Amiga 1000 on launch day was the more advanced machine compared to its rivals at the time by a margin that will ever be repeated again for a combination of things not just hardware IMO.

1. Elegant design comprising a tiny footprint and near silent operation (OK except the damned floppy drive lol)
2. A very very resource efficient custom OS that multitasked so well it could be used as the basis for a scientific or military computer system.
3. The most advanced and flexible audio visual independant custom hardware.

Sadly 1 and 3 are no longer relevant to OS4 development and even today point 3 is not part of any machine design for joe public consumer products. So I can see why others think  it's OK for the link to be in the OS design ethos.

The only way the Amiga could have ever come back as a viable OS and hardware solution in the same sort of way as Commodore Amigas is probably Playstation3 hosting OS4 not Linux from day one (with a very highly tuned edition bespoke to that machine's custom chipset).

I might try out MorphOS too if there is a nice G4 machine I can run it on, not G3 Mac though as this is too slow for me now.

[Amiga_Nut]

How could that be when the buzz occurred when you were experiencing it for the first time?
 
I enjoyed games more when I was younger, not because they were better than they are now but because they were better than anything I'd seen at the time.
Plus I was young and care free.

That's an interesting point. I still remember feeling at the time that 'I can do anything' atmosphere at the time I owned my A1000. Today it's not quite the same feeling I get, just as nice though. It's like growing old with a friend, you notice different positive aspects about the Amiga over time and appreciate the machine's awesomeness in chronological terms more than ever but at the time I was still getting used to the limitless awesomeness of what the entire system had to offer. Of course the difference is also at the time we didn't know we'd be stuck with that Joke of an OS company Microsoft either with no design improvement 3 decades later

[Lurch]

I think the "buzz" you're talking about goes by another name "nostalgia".

Nostalgia is something completely different, this is the buzz you get opening something new that you're excited about.

It's been a long time since I've had that feeling about anything, that's why I try different things looking for it.

[matt3k]

Nostalgia is something completely different, this is the buzz you get opening something new that you're excited about.

It's been a long time since I've had that feeling about anything, that's why I try different things looking for it.

I agree that I would love to feel the excitement over a new computer.

The Amiga came at a time in the market where a bunch of elements made it possible.  That time in the computer industry is well behind us.  Even if we found an awesome group of tech folks with vision and even backing to product something truly revolutionary computer it wouldn't take over the market or even compete.  

The industry has matured and is dominated by players that have the application base to solve problems.  The computer market isn't expanding like it was in the 80's.

I'm grateful that I was part of the Amiga in the day with an active user group and many friends enjoyed them.  When I bought my 3000D it felt very special and a great sense of pride knowing it's capabilities were beyond apple and microsoft.  

My way of feeling part of it, is to still use my classics today.  I have good fun to purchase add on's and tweak them here and there... They were such a great computer they still can be used very productively today.  It is nice to see my family use them and appreciate the applications written for it.

I do enjoy MOS greatly and it feels like where the Amiga would have evolved to in time (imho), it is the modern Amiga for my usages. It doesn't get me excited adding to the boxes, it is more of a tool...  Need to play a RTG game really fast?  Need to browse the web?  Need to manipulate pictures?  Need to connect to work? ...Use MOS...  If not then I'm on the classics.

[Lurch]

@matt3k - You summed it up better than I could, I'll continue to enjoy my A1200. But I don't think we'll see another period in time like the birth of the home computer again. The market is too sewn up for a small company to come out of the blue and take hold, although I'd love to be proven wrong.

The desktop era is probably dwindling too, I must admit I use my smartphone more than my laptop/desktop these days.

[stefcep2]

How could that be when the buzz occurred when you were experiencing it for the first time?

No, but thats the feeling you're trying to *recapture*

I enjoyed games more when I was younger, not because they were better than they are now but because they were better than anything I'd seen at the time.
Plus I was young and care free.

^^^Thank you thats exactly what I meant.  

FYI, my now 18 y.o son feels the same way about when as a 10 year old he got his Gamecube and Mario Kart booted up-the *WOW* he got playing Mario Kart double Dash on a 80 inch CRT with component cables: pin-sharp graphics, vibrant colors, 60 frames per second smooth frame rate. And with 3 other mates going nuts over it.  He'll never part with it.

[Fats]

@matt3k - You summed it up better than I could, I'll continue to enjoy my A1200. But I don't think we'll see another period in time like the birth of the home computer again. The market is too sewn up for a small company to come out of the blue and take hold, although I'd love to be proven wrong.

I just designed my first PCB and I have to admit it did give excitement. I am sure current maker movement with 3D printing, Arduino, Raspberry Pi, etc. gives to some people the same excitement to people as Amiga did to us.
Times are different but not worse.

[Iggy]

I just designed my first PCB and I have to admit it did give excitement. I am sure current maker movement with 3D printing, Arduino, Raspberry Pi, etc. gives to some people the same excitement to people as Amiga did to us.
Times are different but not worse.

Now there is a sentiment I can get behind.
I've been doing some hacking myself and its fun with a capital "F".
Even helping a friend run off a batch of 80 column display boards for the old Tandy Color Computer was a kick in the ass (since it used a Yamaha V9958 which is one cool VDP).
And I've been discussing a 68HC000 project with the designer of the Kiwi (a very cool computer that uses a V9990).

You guys want that old feeling?
Starting learning how to design and build something.
There is some cool stuff out there and its cheap.

OR embrace something different and start using ARM or PPC.
Ditch the X86, fu*k Windows, at the very least use Linux or better yet something REALLY exotic.

COME ON guys.
This used to be fun.
It can be again if you don't join in with the sheeple.

[LiveForIt]

correct me if i'm wrong but hardware-wise i don't see any link at all.

Not directly as there never where any hybrid Amiga computers, the transition started whit what happened after Commodore died.

There where many possible routes, one was DEC Alpha, another was going PowerPC, and there where many more ideas about what route to take.

In the end it was Phase5 who made the decision by creating the CyberStormPPC and BlizzardPPC, add-on CPU modules, and there plans for A/BOX, a next generation computer that never came to be.

While the CyberStormPPC and BlizzardPPC was running an other operating systems, PowerUP and WarpUP, it was start of a split in Amiga community about what was best Phase5 PowerUP, or Hagge&Partner WarpUP, latter WarpUP became part of AmigaOS3.5 and AmigaOS3.9 as bundled package.

Amiga Inc was not really interested in hardware, nor where they interested in the OS, all they wanted was recreate the glory of Amiga by creating an Game Engine, they called it AmigaDE, was based on Intent, (They tried rally hard to sell this idea to the community but not many liked it.).

But as people begged for a updated version of AmigaOS3.x, Hagge&Partner was contracted to do that work, Hagge&Partner had a long history whit Amiga and PowerPC, plans where made for a PowerPC based next generation Amiga, but after a while relationship between Hagge&Partner was broken.

So Hyperion entertainment did take over the development of AmigaOS, but this time the target hardware was PowerPC, they know they needed to support classic software so they created Petunia to translate legacy programs at run time. plus A wrapper for WarpOS was also created so that games like WipeOut2007, PayBack and Heratic II and other games where possible to run.

As some games that needed WarpOS where ported to AmigaOS4.0, the interest in WarpOS wrapper was lost, it was also tricky to get it working on all types of PowerPC CPU's like the AMCC4x0 chips.

But lets cut a long story short, and just say it was the Phase5 accelerator cards that is the hardware link to Classic Amiga computers.

Phase5 accelerator cards where used as development platform during early days of AmigaOS4.x development, even to this day you can run AmigaOS4.1 on a Phase5 PowerPC accelerator.

[LiveForIt]

No, but thats the feeling you're trying to *recapture*




^^^Thank you thats exactly what I meant.  

FYI, my now 18 y.o son feels the same way about when as a 10 year old he got his Gamecube and Mario Kart booted up-the *WOW* he got playing Mario Kart double Dash on a 80 inch CRT with component cables: pin-sharp graphics, vibrant colors, 60 frames per second smooth frame rate. And with 3 other mates going nuts over it.  He'll never part with it.

FYI, my now 18 y.o son feels the same way about when as a 10 year old he got his Gamecube and Mario Kart booted up-the *WOW* he got playing Mario Kart double Dash on a 80 inch CRT with component cables: pin-sharp graphics, vibrant colors, 60 frames per second smooth frame rate. And with 3 other mates going nuts over it. He'll never part with it.

Yes I agree, some times nostalgia makes people blind to other revolutions.
One example is the graphic card revolution on PC, its mazing what it has done for 3D graphics, the powerful GPU's that where able to scale and resize textures in blink of a eye, overlay technology was the standard way to display videos, but as graphic cards got faster overlay became redundant, and so overlay was removed from newer graphic cards.

When I talk whit people who bit younger then me, they are nostalgic about Nintendo, PS1, and so on, maybe not to the same degree as we are, but to think that we are the only platform that has ben revolutionary is abit naive.