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Offline kickstart

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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 10:33:04 PM »
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"NG" doesn't just mean OS4, there are several ways to get a very similar (if not better) "NG" Amiga experience for many times less money than the X1000 or Sams - MorphOS or AROS have already been mentioned in this thread and make more sense for a user on a budget or who doesn't need a specific element that only OS4 offers.


Yes, aros is a good idea but need more time to advance, morphos is faster than amigaos4, more compatible and with better and cheap hardware.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2014, 10:34:59 PM »
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Why that hate towards amigaos4? have you a childhood trauma because AmigaOS4 raped you when you were a child or what?


The only trauma is to see your nickname and avatar.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2014, 01:19:56 AM »
NG = OS4 and MorphOS..

If you want to add AROS or whatever to the list..then do so..just keep this damn thread clean.  Jesus Christ..first Linux vs the world and now this...again.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2014, 02:04:57 AM »
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Yes, aros is a good idea but need more time to advance, morphos is faster than amigaos4, more compatible and with better and cheap hardware.

Don't start freaking me out supporting my OS of choice, kickstart.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2014, 02:28:09 AM »
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NG = OS4 and MorphOS..

If you want to add AROS or whatever to the list..then do so..just keep this damn thread clean.  Jesus Christ..first Linux vs the world and now this...again.


Then the rule is talk just following your rules? No one say nothing wrong.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2014, 03:38:17 AM »
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Well after modding the hell out of my A1200, I'm thinking it might be time to sell up and purchase an NG.

Getting all the hardware/software mods to work together was and still is enjoyable, yet frustrating task.

With the slow updates on mediator drivers for both the Voodoo 5 and Radeon 9200 it's really holding AmigaOS 3.9 back. Rattes updated Radeon driver was looking like the answer but Elbox trampled that.

Also getting any information/response from Elbox is impossible. Which adds to my frustration when spending quite a bit on their products.

Reliability is another factor, with all those different hacks/patches running it feels unstable now and then. The most annoying part is getting RTG/AGA switching working with WHDLoad, which wouldn't really be a problem with an NG. I've given up on this and run in AGA most of the time, although I don't get the pretty 1920x1080 with AFA OS/Zune desktop.

I have Quake/Quake 2 running great using Warp3D/MiniGL at 640x480. However Quake2 can be flaky and I get the odd software fault and it wont load. Another frustration.

Duke Nukem is fairly smooth except for a slight pause when some sounds load, but this would be resolved with using a FastATA, however it doesn't fit with the Indivision AGA MK2 and Mediator. :-/

Browsing is very useable, Ibrowse is fantastic. Although due to it's out dated browser engine a few websites don't display correctly. NetSurf is fantastic though, can feel slower than Ibrowse though but I think this is because it loads the entire page in one hit instead of loading parts of the page.

Flash, even with the Ibrowse plugin is a no go. Java stuff seems to timeout most of the time so I turned this off.  

iGame/WHDLoad works really well (once you are running an AGA workbench) and the speed at what games load at is amazing. Forget floppy disks! :-)

99% of the demo's work great, no issues.

PPC stuff, I maybe tempted to purchase a PPC card for the A1200 but price wise I'd be better off buying an NG. The amount of money would buy me a nice setup, unless I can find someone throwing a card out (yeah right).

As a day to day machine, almost possible. The A1200 does an okay job :-)

Anyway I think I've accomplished (95% anyway) what I set out to do, I'll probably regret selling it. You always get that doubt with Amiga hardware, especially putting so much time into it. You become attached.

I'll go back to pondering it :-)



From my experience MOS on a Powerbook is a decent system.  It can't do many HD formats well, but most 720p plays just fine.  Browsing is very decent with OWB 1.23.  All the applications I used on Classic hardware works fine.  The user experience for the OS via Ambient is a great desktop.  To me it feels like what Amiga OS 3.x should have evolved into.  The authors of the OS are a great bunch who constantly update and enhance the product.  

Looking at the total cost of ownership, MOS is the best value and experience for an NG Amiga...

I sold my 1200 and I don't miss it, I never enjoyed hacking at it to get it to work.  Big box Amigas are more reliable and expandible.  I still prefer certain things on my classic amiga, mostly for nostalgia. I always have had a soft spot for the 3000 and still find reasons to use it even if it could be done in MOS...

For games MOS is fast and fun, Quake 1-3, Duke, and RTCW all work great and at very playable speeds.
 

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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2014, 04:20:01 AM »
We covered compatibility and and now cost is the determining factor.
If Morphos does everything you want it too, then that is the one to go for.

Check Youtube there are vids of OS4 and the rest.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2014, 06:10:19 AM »
Okay so I've decided to hold on to my 1200, after all the effort, time and money spent I cant let it go.

I had a look at what options there are, and taking on the feedback I've read I'm now in the market for a Mac Mini. Looking locally I can only find 32mb versions so may have to go with that, going by what I have read most FPS games should be okay and it will give me a taste.

Will check Amibay, and the market place here,first, but then I have to ask if the PSU is switchable? Needs to be 220/240v to work here.

Tempted to register too, so 64mb ram would be better :)
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2014, 08:55:27 PM »
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I'd be very cautious and recommend you weigh your use case before taking anyones advice that any NG Amiga can be a day to day, desktop replacement for a more mainstream machine like a Windows, Linux or Mac box.

I love my NG systems, but the idea that I could use them to do my day to day business on them is laughable.  They are great machines for what they are, but the truth is I couldn't even get my daily work tickets off GDocs on either MOS or my OS4 machine.  The browsers puke too much.

Honestly, and I know how much people hate the emulation route - it's hard to go wrong with an Amithlon or even dedicated UAE box if you are intent on running older software.  I've got both an Amithlon box and a dedicated UAE machine (XP base, boots right into WB 3.1, never even see Windows) and most people would be hard pressed to even recognize they are emulated machines if they were parked in front of them if an old Miggy KB and mouse were there.
Amithlon was really the win that we lost. I have it as I purchased it when it was still available for purchase, and I have it installed on a machine in my closet. I also have an A1200T/060/PPC that runs 4.1. It's good. It's slow. I really want what 4.x has to offer but I don't $1000 want it in a NG Amiga.

I picked up a G5 Mac Pro to run MorphOS but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Just been busy. As much as I have solutions all around I still poke around for NG hardware that doesn't make my wallet wanna puke.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2014, 08:56:29 PM »
Go with a G5 if you're gonna do MorphOS. Seriously, it's much much better hardware and the prices aren't much different. I got mine on CL for about $90.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2014, 05:11:16 AM »
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Go with a G5 if you're gonna do MorphOS. Seriously, it's much much better hardware and the prices aren't much different. I got mine on CL for about $90.


Down here the G5 is about $100NZD more than a mac mini, plus finding one locally with an ATI card is near impossible. They all have Nvidia cards which of course MorphOS doesn't like.

So I looked at buying an ATI card and the prices were expensive :-(

I also notice that anything including and above the ATI Radeon 9550 doesn't support W3D.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2014, 07:03:52 AM »
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Down here the G5 is about $100NZD more than a mac mini, plus finding one locally with an ATI card is near impossible. They all have Nvidia cards which of course MorphOS doesn't like.

So I looked at buying an ATI card and the prices were expensive :-(

I also notice that anything including and above the ATI Radeon 9550 doesn't support W3D.

Im in the same seat, ive had my Mac mini 1.52GHz with 32MB vram and morphOS for a long time but I recently wanted to give the Power mac a go but where I live G5 power macs go for 600$+ and it feels a bit to much :/ The G4 ones go for next to nothing tho so might pickup and try one of those instead :)

Not to complain the Mac mini is sufficient enough but I want to be able to expand more :)

Edit: Maybe you where talking about laptops?
 

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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2014, 07:18:16 AM »
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Im in the same seat, ive had my Mac mini 1.52GHz with 32MB vram and morphOS for a long time but I recently wanted to give the Power mac a go but where I live G5 power macs go for 600$+ and it feels a bit to much :/ The G4 ones go for next to nothing tho so might pickup and try one of those instead :)


PowerMacs, don't really want a Mac laptop I've had a bad run of those with logic boards.

The PowerMac G4 is a good option, although not something I want on my desk. (or under it).

So will hang out looking for a Macmini or a G5.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2014, 07:41:55 AM »
After looking some more I can pickup Xserve G5's for around $100NZD. Which also have an ATI card.

Worth the risk installing MorphOS?
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2014, 08:07:33 AM »
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After looking some more I can pickup Xserve G5's for around $100NZD. Which also have an ATI card.

Worth the risk installing MorphOS?


I do not know much about the  Xserve's but you will loose the ability of having AGP or PCI-E that the Power Macs have and be limited to PCI (talking about future W3D support).

If and how much it's compatible with MorphOS I do not know, but if MorphOS do not work on it you might have other use for it (use it as a server)?
 

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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #44 from previous page: April 10, 2014, 08:17:19 AM »
After reading up on it I might give it a miss, there's a few other things missing compared to a tower :-/
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