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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2014, 05:46:55 PM »
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@ral-clan,

Good choice on Ubuntu type OS's, lubuntu is lighter because it is basically made to work on old laptops, computers, and some of today's tablets. I tried this a couple of days ago, and it seems real  nice. Uses about 512 megs of memory (if I remember right) so you don't need a massive amount of memory, and very light on graphics usage.


Yeah, I understand Lubuntu is meant for older computers - but what have they cut out of it besides the eye candy?  Is it less functional than Ubuntu?

Also, is there any way to have a shared folder between your Windows and Linux partitions, so you can, for instance, save a graphics project you've been working on on the Linux side and when you load Windows you can access it?

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #105 on: March 28, 2014, 06:02:33 PM »
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Also, is there any way to have a shared folder between your Windows and Linux partitions, so you can, for instance, save a graphics project you've been working on on the Linux side and when you load Windows you can access it?

Thanks.

easiest way...save to usb..

Otherwise... create a partition that can be read by both Linux and Windows, NTFS or similiar.  Find out your folder name you want accessible and either:

A) save everything to the NTFS partition (create symlinks that will point to it)
B) manually copy stuff to the NTFS partition when you are about to switch back to Windows

IE.
If you have a "downloads" directory..

create a directory on the NTFS partition called "downloads", then create a symlink to it from the Linux side.  Everything you save to "downloads" in Linux will actually go to the NTFS partition.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #106 on: March 28, 2014, 06:23:28 PM »
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Yeah, I understand Lubuntu is meant for older computers - but what have they cut out of it besides the eye candy?  Is it less functional than Ubuntu?

Basically yes. As far as I remember, been a while since using Lubuntu, it's basically the core ubuntu with a lightweight UI and some eye candy stripped. It will be the exact same system though as all other debian/ubuntu systems.

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Also, is there any way to have a shared folder between your Windows and Linux partitions, so you can, for instance, save a graphics project you've been working on on the Linux side and when you load Windows you can access it?

Thanks.

Ubuntu will read Windows NTFS fine. Windows, on the other hand, wont. One way is to created a little partition, with NTFS, to store common files on. Another is to keep a usb stick handy and just dump files on there. Another is to follow this link and use the guide provided.

Another tip is to download a Ubuntu cheat sheet for CLI commands and basic file system structure. It comes in handy for numerous occasions.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #107 on: March 28, 2014, 07:55:39 PM »
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Hi guys,
So for the first time I am very seriously considering Linux. I would like to start by dipping my toe into Linux with the aim of eventually make it my day-to-day OS in a few years.


I would recommend setting up a virtual environment and playing with the distributions in that until you find the one you want to run instead of immediately doing a dual boot setup. Also, you can try the Live CDs but I find them to be a little slow to really give me a full feel for the OS in question.

Linux is a very powerful OS that has come a long way in usability, ease of installation, and ease of software installation. A lot of the dependencies and other issues are taken care of by the software distribution systems and even when you compile software today dependencies are easier to deal with. However, the average user can use Linux without the need to compile any software as the software "repositories" have most of what you'll use.

Ubuntu is the common distribution that many end users select and there are good derivatives of it that are compatible with it's software collection.
http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives
Lbuntu
Xbuntu
I haven't played with Mint but it seems to be popular.

   Personally, I like SuSe and their YAST system of management for settings and software installation, etc.

   Any OS can have it's problems as Windows has proven time and time again. No OS is flawless and Linux has gotten far, far better than back in the early days when installing it meant compiling the kernel and messing with the GRUB loader just to get the system up. Installation entails little more than booting from a CD and answering a few fairly simple questions.

    You can take a look at Ubuntu Studio for some of the open source software for video, photo and audio. Nothing wrong with keeping Windows around for software you can't get compatible on Linux for but be sure to take a look at the free software to see if it would meet or supplement your needs. http://ubuntustudio.org/
 
   I'd switch from Windows completely in a heartbeat but there are a few software applications that I also use that Linux doesn't quite have a counterpart to yet.

If you become a member of the Linux community be sure to Google questions first and you'll avoid most of the RTFM, which has gotten better in recent years but the Linux community is snooty compared to the Amiga community. I remember how many hours I spent learning from my fellow Amigans who seldom if ever would turn you away without helping. That Amiga community stands alone in any computer community that I've been in. The closest I've found is Novell where if someone told you to read the manual they would refer you to the exact page that answered your question.

1. What type of Linux would be the most widely compatible and still good on a system from about 8 years ago (specs above)?
-> Most will run on fairly low specifications but derivatives of Ubuntu like xubuntu, lubuntu and Mint take less to run. You can get system specifications by just googling the distribution and system specifications.
2. For my purposes (gradual immersion), should I create a partition on the 160GB hard drive for Linux, or buy a 32GB or 64GB USB stick and install on that?
-> I'd start with live CDs to see if you like the looks of the Os at all. Then I'd run it in a Virtual Machine. You can use the Open Source Virtual Box or VMWare if you want to buy it.
3. Any tips or good guides on creating a dual boot system?
-> Don't install the dual boot until after you find the OS you want to keep. You might want to look at an third party boot loader to manage your installations like Acronis OS Selector. It's always a good idea to take an image of your working system, I use Acronis for that but there are some good free disk imaging tools out there. MaximumPC just covered some of them recently.
5. Any tips on creating a Linux partition on a hard drive WITHOUT having to destroy and re-install the XP partition that already exists there (i.e. Swissknife?)?
->Acronis Disk Director or another linux system bootable GParted disk to resize the partition and create a new one for Linux and then install into it. It might be better to add a small hard drive.
6. Any complications or pitfalls I need to watch out for on a dual boot system?
-> Boot loaders can get misconfiguration when you install new OSs. Third party might be better. I prefer Virtual Machines myself.
7. Are all Linux strains compatible? I don't want to be stuck with a Linux branch that can't run common binaries.
-> Uhm, well they are all based on common standards but their binaries are not all compatible. That doesn't mean that the same software is available for most common distributions in a pre-compiled state. Redhat and SuSe use RPMs to distribute software and Debian/Ubuntu use apt-get repositories. I wouldn't worry about common binaries, I'd worry about common software.
8. In future, will I always need a Windows XP partition to run my legacy Windows XP applications, or is Wine under Linux good enough now?
->Wine is only compatible with certain applications and I'd imagine not the ones you are looking to run. It's a really neat package but not the same as a full Windows install.

I hope this helps you decide to give Linux a try you might just find you like it better for a daily driver and only end up booting up Windows for a few specific software programs that you can't yet get on Linux. If you end up not liking one GUI, you can always try another, now that is something to really like about Linux.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #108 on: March 28, 2014, 08:09:44 PM »
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@TheMagicM,

You really have to excuse CommodoreJohn, remember he is still using a C64 for his computing needs, ......................
Remember, to install Linux today you have to know how to download an ISO, burn it  to a DVD, then turn  off your  computer put the DVD in the computer, turn it on and then you have to type in your name when asked and think up a password, know  your timezone and then Linux pretty much install itself. .................

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LOL! Poor old CJ. Smerf roast.

I do have to say though, burning those ISOs is so passe, I just mount them as a virtual CD in my VMWare virtual machines and install from within the ISO archive off my hard drive. It's a lot faster that way and I don't waste plastic.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2014, 08:50:25 PM »
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I would recommend setting up a virtual environment and playing with the distributions in that until you find the one you want to run instead of immediately doing a dual boot setup.


Sounds like good advice, but let's say I do this and spend a week setting up a nice Linux environment with all the applications I want.  Then I decide I want to keep it.  Is there any way for me to put this virtual machine on a real hard drive partition, or would I have to go through setup all over again from scratch on the real partition.

Glad I am asking all of this on an Amiga forum - don't want the RTFM stuff from the Linux forums.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #111 on: March 28, 2014, 10:06:06 PM »
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LOL! Poor old CJ. Smerf roast.
I'm not going to worry too much about smerf's opinion, he always posts from some parallel universe or other, like this one where I apparently hate PCs despite being fond of Windows XP.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #112 on: March 28, 2014, 11:04:26 PM »
@Nlandas,

Sorry man, I use DVD-RW, that way I can run a distro in about 6 different machines before I decide. I have my 8 core, 6 core, dual core, AMD 3700+, and 2 very old laptops that I use to test a distro, but you bring up a good point, about a virtual HD. I really never taught of that, gives me something else to try. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #113 on: March 28, 2014, 11:07:14 PM »
VMs are so nice why bother with a non-virtual machine?  Most computers have terrabytes of hd and underutilised cores.  Linux is more than happy for most purposes with a gig or two of RAM. and you can pass things between OSs if they are both running.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #114 on: March 28, 2014, 11:14:02 PM »
@commodorejohn,

I like that reply, now I feel like a parallel universe visitor. Better give up on Windows XP, it is being closed down and the coffin nailed shut, I already downloaded a whole bunch of stuff on XP, like their service paks and have them stored on DVD disks, learned this from when Win2000 shut down. Believe it or not, when I first started using Win 8, I hated  it, but after a year of using it, I really am starting to like it, it loads fast, and you can do just about everything you want when you learn all the ins and outs of the system. When ever I use my Windows 7 machines, I am wondering why they are so darn slow.
Anyhow just dropped in and wanted to see  what old timers where still around.

Just remember if they aren't busting you then they probably don't like ya. So you must be one of the most  liked people in Amiga ville.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #115 on: March 28, 2014, 11:40:38 PM »
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #116 on: March 28, 2014, 11:49:23 PM »
I would be interested to see how ral-clan gets on with VM'ing. Given that he has stated that the host is a P4 @ 2.8ghz. I am unsure if any of the P4's ever had VT.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #117 on: March 28, 2014, 11:53:37 PM »
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SteamOS  http://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download

Isn't Steam OS aimed more at media centre style systems? And in all fairness you can download the Steam Client anyway for Debian (Ubuntu and Mint) systems. Just grab the .deb from Valve and off you go.

However we have to remember that this is going on a P4.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2014, 12:20:33 AM »
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I would be interested to see how ral-clan gets on with VM'ing. Given that he has stated that the host is a P4 @ 2.8ghz. I am unsure if any of the P4's ever had VT.

That was my thought exactly.  My system is only a P4 with 3GB RAM. Apparently you can download Microsoft's Virtual Machine 2007 and use it in Windows XP, but I don't think a VM is a practical option for me with this system.  I'll probably either just make a true partition when I'm ready or install on a USB stick (with the intention of later moving it to a real hard drive partition).

I can't install a dedicated hard drive for Linux because my system already has drives on all the IDE channels/pairs.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #119 from previous page: March 29, 2014, 12:34:57 AM »
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That was my thought exactly.  My system is only a P4 with 3GB RAM. Apparently you can download Microsoft's Virtual Machine 2007 and use it in Windows XP, but I don't think a VM is a practical option for me with this system.  I'll probably either just make a true partition when I'm ready or install on a USB stick (with the intention of later moving it to a real hard drive partition).

I can't install a dedicated hard drive for Linux because my system already has drives on all the IDE channels/pairs.

Virtual Box is a free VM program. It works well and you may just get away with VM'ing it rather than spending money and time on Microsofts own VM stuff. The amount of RAM will work because I am sure that the lightweight Lubuntu uses roughly 300-500mb when fully loaded.

If you want to install Lubuntu to a USB stick then check out this thread. You will need at the very least a 4gb USB stick. Or if you have a spare USB physical drive then even better. Just remember that performance might be slightly impacted due to read and write speeds. And with the amount of RAM you have I would highly suggest using a Swap partition.

Just a quick question. How are you planning on connecting the system to the net? Is it on Wi-Fi or hard wired?
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