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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2014, 09:40:19 AM »
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So are Lindows and Windows; there is no need for them to be identical.

This isn't how the Lindows vs Windows went down anyhow.  Microsoft lost that case, and then basically paid them to change the name to Linspire.

"In 2002 Microsoft sued Lindows, Inc. claiming the name Lindows constituted an infringement of their Windows trademark. Microsoft's claims were rejected by the court, which asserted that Microsoft had used the term windows  to describe graphical user interfaces before the Windows product was  ever released, and that the windowing technique had already been  implemented by Xerox and Apple Computer many years before.[7] Microsoft sought a retrial and after this was postponed in February 2004,[8]  offered to settle the case. As part of the licensing settlement,  Microsoft paid an estimated $20 million, and Lindows, Inc. transferred  the Lindows trademark to Microsoft and changed its name to Linspire, Inc.[9]" - From Wikipedia.

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2014, 12:55:41 PM »
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I wish that were so, but on this forum there are many people who want exactly that.
The more Amigalike OSes there are the stronger we all are, but still the forums are full of sniping and attacking... it's a real shame.


It would be at least a little ironic because it was Hyperion who defended "Amiga" against anyone with the intention to use it like AROS or the famous Commodore CUSA who were not allowed to use "Amiga" in conjunction with AROS. There are even some people who only supports it because it is called "AmigaOS".
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2014, 01:34:49 PM »
Wasn't it CommodoreUSA who was after people using the amiga name?
I seem to remember the Daddy being told to remove any reference to amiga in, at least, one video.
And didn't Aros change the meaning of aros before they were told to?
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2014, 01:43:19 PM »
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Wasn't it CommodoreUSA who was after people using the amiga name?
I seem to remember the Daddy being told to remove any reference to amiga in, at least, one video.
And didn't Aros change the meaning of aros before they were told to?

From what I have read recently the change of the meaning happened to avoid a attack of Hyperion even though the AROS people had the permission to use it in this context before. But that was before the time I rejoined. AROS will stay AROS whatever happens, the same for MorphOS. And the 68k people do not care anyway. I think the biggest problems would it be for the AmigaOS fans.
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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2014, 01:45:50 PM »
I thought it was because of CommodoreUSA, but in any case, I do think it's okay to defend your rights.
And if Aros did have permission to use the amiga name, then no one can blame Hyperion, CommodoreUSA or any one else for that matter.
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2014, 01:50:19 PM »
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I thought it was because of CommodoreUSA, but in any case, I do think it's okay to defend your rights.
And if Aros did have permission to use the amiga name, then no one can blame Hyperion, CommodoreUSA or any one else for that matter.

I do not really care about if the "A" in AROS can be used as synonym for "Amiga" or not. But of course you could "blame" Hyperion in this context because they were the reason for the change. If a organisation with money would have been behind AROS it would propably been much more difficult to "defend their rights" how you call it. But as I said if someone can use "Amiga" or not will not decide about the future.
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2014, 01:58:41 PM »
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Wasn't it CommodoreUSA who was after people using the amiga name?
I seem to remember the Daddy being told to remove any reference to amiga in, at least, one video.
And didn't Aros change the meaning of aros before they were told to?



Yes. They changed the name because of the lawsuit between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion VOF which was filed about a month earlier.

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Due to the recent legal turmoil between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion, the Amiga reference is going to be removed from the AROS' name.


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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2014, 02:36:32 PM »
In any case, if you have trademarks and copyrights you need to defend them, that is usual business. Of you don't defend them you might loose them.
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2014, 02:41:07 PM »
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In any case, if you have trademarks and copyrights you need to defend them, that is usual business. Of you don't defend them you might loose them.


at the moment nobody really has the trademark. "Amiga" is a trademark of AmigaInc. (whatever behind this still is) and not Hyperion. They own "AmigaOS" and "AmigaOne" as far as I know. They only have a court agreement with AmigaInc. and go against everyone on that base. "If" there would be someone with more money than Hyperion and AmigaInc. entering the trademark battle it would be interesting to see what happens.
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2014, 02:46:45 PM »
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at the moment nobody really has the trademark. "Amiga" is a trademark of AmigaInc. (whatever behind this still is) and not Hyperion. They own "AmigaOS" and "AmigaOne" as far as I know. They only have a court agreement with AmigaInc. and go against everyone on that base. "If" there would be someone with more money than Hyperion and AmigaInc. entering the trademark battle it would be interesting to see what happens.



I've posted "whatever behind this still is" several times.
It's simpy the attorney of record - Darren Cohen.

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2014, 02:47:38 PM »
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Why are so many hellbend on seing Hyperion fail?


A mixture of tribal politics and pure badness!

On the one hand you have decent Amigan's that support all of the OS flavors and if they don't then go on about their business and wont bother anyone else.  
On the other hand you have the minority of bitter individuals, usually its the same names that will trawl through every related thread twisting and spitting venom as they go. :(
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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2014, 03:02:23 PM »
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A mixture of tribal politics and pure badness!

On the one hand you have decent Amigan's that support all of the OS flavors and if they don't then go on about their business and wont bother anyone else.  
On the other hand you have the minority of bitter individuals, usually its the same names that will trawl through every related thread twisting and spitting venom as they go. :(

i found a lot of the threads with Hyperion (Ben Hermans) or the Frieden brothers where I thought "Was that response really necessary?". And I do not even talk about the typcial red vs. blue battle. So they are partly certainly not innocent about the polarisation. For me personal it is not that important who uses the "Amiga" trademark finally. I would have preferred it that it would be used by the different camps (as long as it has still some recognition and thus value) because all are based on the same heritage and API. But this will not happen. So i only look at it from the outside. The faith of a platform is not decided by the trademark but by its features, hardware it runs on, price and software that is available.
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2014, 03:06:07 PM »
I think it was a cowardly move to remove the word amiga from AROS.
 
First of all its a completely free and open source project. No monies are being made from AROS.
 
That alone would stop silly billy or anyone else from suing. Its absolutely ridiculous to allow the amiga grave robbers to scare everyone into removing the word amiga from AROS. Ridiculousness.
 

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2014, 03:08:08 PM »
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I've posted "whatever behind this still is" several times.
It's simpy the attorney of record - Darren Cohen.

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2014, 03:20:20 PM »
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I think it was a cowardly move to remove the word amiga from AROS.
 
First of all its a completely free and open source project. No monies are being made from AROS.
 
That alone would stop silly billy or anyone else from suing. Its absolutely ridiculous to allow the amiga grave robbers to scare everyone into removing the word amiga from AROS. Ridiculousness.



Not that it matters, but when the threat did come, it came from Ben Hermans, not Bill McEwen...and in view of the public.

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But since the settlement agreement was at the root and included both parties, you could give each of them 1/2 credit. Heh.

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Re: Infringement of AmigaOS trademark
« Reply #59 from previous page: February 24, 2014, 04:00:07 PM »
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It's Amigo OS. male.  Amiga OS is female.  Maybe they should get together and produce some offspring.


If we transition to Italian, we could call the result BambinOS. :)
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