Indivision ECS and Picasso II

[orange]

don't forget the +5V pin resistor

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

don't forget the +5V pin resistor

First thing I did.  

[AmigaPixel]

First thing I did.  

Is that a pin setting/jumper on the Picasso II?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Is that a pin setting/jumper on the Picasso II?

Resistor on PII needs to be removed for it to work with modern LCD monitors.  See this thread for more details:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=51133

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Just to follow up on this old thread, I've now bought a second PII, this one a Rev. 1.6, still no dice. Neither a 1.4 or 1.6 PII will work at all when Indivision output is plugged into its input port. The screen stays black until the Indivision is unplugged. Both PII's otherwise work fine.

I'm beginning to think there is a fundamental incompatibility between the output on the Indivision and the input/pass-through port on the PII.

I can't really be the only one who's ever tried this, can I?

Should I just keep throwing money at graphics cards and hope one works? Maybe I'd have better luck if I can find a PII+ or a Spectrum? Or should I just give up and buy some kind of external monitor switch, dashing my dreams of the perfect A2000? LOL.

On that note, anyone want to buy a couple Picasso II's? :p  (j/k until I can get this resolved)

[gary2000]

Thanks for letting us know. My 2000 is taking the same path as yours(ind ecs), so I was thinking of trying a PII before you posted.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Bumping this thread of mine since I had a few minutes to play around with my Miggy tonight.  Anyone successfully gotten an Indivision ECS to work with any sort of monitor switcher?  I got one response in another thread that even external switchers don't work.  I'm looking for any confirmation that someone has gotten Indivision ECS output to work with the internal monitor switcher in a Picasso II, PII+, GVP Spectrum, Domino, or Piccolo SD64.
 
 ...Probably not applicable to the monitor switches built into the CV64/3D or PIV, since they have their own scan doubler modules, and even if I could afford one I wouldn't want to "break" one of these cards by separating it for ZII.

I don't mind my unique dual monitor Amiga, but, you know, being able to use just one monitor would be nice.  

[gertsy]

Know it's of no help, but if you've got space for two monitors that's gotta be the way to go. That's what I'd do.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Know it's of no help, but if you've got space for two monitors that's gotta be the way to go. That's what I'd do.

At my office I do, but I'm thinking eventually I'd like to take this system home, hook it up to my TV, maybe take it to user group meetings, etc.

Meh, maybe I'll just get one of these, like we have for all our work computers:

http://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-24-995-006

I gotta admit, that would look pretty swank sitting on top of an A2000.  

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

For the heck of it, just tried opening a 320x200x16 color screen on the Indivision and seeing if that would pass-through the PII. No overscan, no nothing. Still no luck, as soon as the cable is connected between the two the screen goes black.

In other words, even if I have a PII screenmode selected and displayed, and nothing coming from the Indivision output, just making that physical connection between Indi output and PII input blanks the PII screen. *sigh*
 
 Need to try ordering that shorter cable.  Someone over on Amibay reports that their GVP Spectrum works fine.  Anybody have one of those they want to sell, or loan me for testing?  Haha.  

[mechy]

All of the monitors we have have HD15 VGA inputs, most also have DVI and either DisplayPort or HDMI connections.  Business class products don't eff around.    Only thing I wish they had was internal speakers (not for our office users, but for my Miggy, LOL).

I think the sound bars for most dell monitors are cheap on ebay and clip on the monitor(i was given a monitor with one is how i know). anyway,too bad on the gfx card, is that resistor there for the older vesa modes on the pII?
might remove it or snip one leg and see if that has any effect on the pass thru problem- it should'nt but...never know.

Mech

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I already clipped the resistor on both PII's, it was the first thing I did before installing so don't know if it would've made a difference. Thinking about a sound bar too, low priority, LOL.

[QuikSanz]

Makes me wonder if there are some video pins swapped at one end, wrong polarity. It should work in theory.

Chris

[PanterHZ]

Since you are still struggling with this, it might be an idea to take into consideration the differences between the old style scandoublers and the Indivision.
It is my understanding that old scandoublers did nothing more than double the output frequency from the Amiga, something which worked fine on crt monitors. Modern lcd monitors on the other hand, are more problematic since they are a bit more picky regarding the frequency. As a result of this, I belive the Indidvision is made to output a little more than just the double of the Amigas frequency, this in order to make it more compatible with modern monitors.

My theory is that the reason for your problems might be because the Picasso II pass-through expects a signal with the same frequency as old style scandoublers. But have in mind that this is just a theory I have, for I'm no expert on this matter.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

My theory is that the reason for your problems might be because the Picasso II pass-through expects a signal with the same frequency as old style scandoublers. But have in mind that this is just a theory I have, for I'm no expert on this matter.

I've tried this. Indivision has a "1.00" mode and a "1.25" mode. In 1.00 mode it outputs a 60Hz (NTSC) signal. 1.25 mode is a multiplier, and outputs at 75Hz. Same thing happens with PAL (50Hz and whatever 1.25 of that is, LOL). Tinkered with the output settings of the Indi for a while, couldn't find anything that worked.

1' cable arrived today. Still no difference. I noticed on boot-up that Workbench displayed for a split-second (using a PII screenmode) then went black and the monitor entered powersaving mode, until I removed the cable going between the Indi and the PII passthrough, at which point Workbench immediately shows up.

Might swap the other PII back in and try with this cable also, just to make sure I'm not losing my mind. Next step might be... I don't know. Pull the Indi ECS from my A500 and test with that one? I've heard GVP Spectrum works, if anyone has one the want to loan me? :roflmao:

[matt3k]

Sure you can take my GVP Spectrum to try it out.  I will even swap the GVP for the Picasso II if it works for you...

The GVP is a 2 meg card and works great...