AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)

[WolfToTheMoon]

MOS is clearly the better solution so they'd be crazy not to fund its development for the X5000.

yeah, but what incentive would a MOS user have to pay 3000$ for X5000 when G5 Macs are available for more than 10 times less? Doesn't compute...

[Kremlar]

yeah, but what incentive would a MOS user have to pay 3000$ for X5000 when G5 Macs are available for more than 10 times less? Doesn't compute...

Some people would just prefer to have new hardware and some of the supplementary features that come along with it vs. old G5 hardware.

That being said, at that price differential it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

[nicholas]

yeah, but what incentive would a MOS user have to pay 3000$ for X5000 when G5 Macs are available for more than 10 times less? Doesn't compute...

The only benefit I can see to the MOS team is that certain vocal OS4 evangelists will no longer have the "no new hardware with warranty" stick to beat them with.

I'd rather use second hand hardware and buy a replacement when it fails until/if MOS gets ported to Intel than pay "remortgage the house" prices for new PPC hardware, but that's just me.

[WolfToTheMoon]

Some people would just prefer to have new hardware and some of the supplementary features that come along with it vs. old G5 hardware.

That being said, at that price differential it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

well, I'm not sure some of those features will ever be supported. And later G5s are just as fast as P50X0, plus they have Altivec, which the P series chips lack completely.

[Iggy]

well, I'm not sure some of those features will ever be supported. And later G5s are just as fast as P50X0, plus they have Altivec, which the P series chips lack completely.

Completely for now.
Later revision of the core they are based on will have these instructions, so successors to this chip will feature AltiVec instructions.
And the P50XX is a much cooler running, lower power draw chip.

That being said, I have two G5s.

[Rob]

The only benefit I can see to the MOS team is that certain vocal OS4 evangelists will no longer have the "no new hardware with warranty" stick to beat them with.

Stick bearers will just find another.  If MorphOS is released on Sam and AmigaONE X1000 etc then it's fairly obvious that the new stick will be "MorphOS doesn't have it's own hardware so have to use ours".

[nicholas]

Stick bearers will just find another.  If MorphOS is released on Sam and AmigaONE X1000 etc then it's fairly obvious that the new stick will be "MorphOS doesn't have it's own hardware so have to use ours".

True, though it would be quite comical if the X5000 was released with MorphOS first.

[Iggy]

True, though it would be quite comical if the X5000 was released with MorphOS first.

I am pretty sure support for the X5000 (under OS4) will be ready at its release.
And it would not do to get your hopes up about MorphOS, as the developers already have their hands full.

[wawrzon]

by the way, as there is always so much talk about how retarded genuine amiga users are, and how they should upgrade to ng solutions, and also countless guesses about what camp has most followers (judging by download figures of whatever), it just occurred to me today checking aminet that there is an obvious and objective indication to that.

so check out these download figures of fresh release of amiarcadia (by 11.01.2014):
AmiArcadia.lha   22.24   misc/emu   23981   3.6M   m68k-amigaos
AmiArcadiaMOS.lha   22.24   misc/emu   18820   3.9M   ppc-morphos
AmiArcadia_OS4.lha   22.24   misc/emu   12302   3.9M   ppc-amigaos

given that mos and os4 have stil their own download depots the figures there do not seem to account for much (ive checked out of curiosity, there seem to be just a few). so i think we can safely say that the biggest amiga community is still the genuine amiga owners (or uae users) followed by mos (80% in comparison, which is not bad) and os4 being third, accounting for about a half of genuine amiga users. there is no aros (x86) figures in this case alas, though i consider it possible that it would be even lower than the os4 result.

q.e.d.

[nicholas]

Really?

I thought the commonly accepted stereotypes were:

OS4 users - Naive lamers
MorphOS users - Elitist snobs
AROS users - Tight fisted and cheap
Amiga users - Any of the above

[wawrzon]

what concerns aros i think the stereotype is rather DIY and dont pay a cent.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

by the way, as there is always so much talk about how retarded genuine amiga users are, and how they should upgrade to ng solutions, and also countless guesses about what camp has most followers (judging by download figures of whatever), it just occurred to me today checking aminet that there is an obvious and objective indication to that.

Then you've got the percentage of people who don't know or care what "AmiArcadia" is, LOL.  

[nicholas]

what concerns aros i think the stereotype is rather DIY and dont pay a cent.

In plain English, "Cheap". :lol:

[Rob]

by the way, as there is always so much talk about how retarded genuine amiga users are, and how they should upgrade to ng solutions, and also countless guesses about what camp has most followers (judging by download figures of whatever), it just occurred to me today checking aminet that there is an obvious and objective indication to that.

so check out these download figures of fresh release of amiarcadia (by 11.01.2014):
AmiArcadia.lha   22.24   misc/emu   23981   3.6M   m68k-amigaos
AmiArcadiaMOS.lha   22.24   misc/emu   18820   3.9M   ppc-morphos
AmiArcadia_OS4.lha   22.24   misc/emu   12302   3.9M   ppc-amigaos

given that mos and os4 have stil their own download depots the figures there do not seem to account for much (ive checked out of curiosity, there seem to be just a few). so i think we can safely say that the biggest amiga community is still the genuine amiga owners (or uae users) followed by mos (80% in comparison, which is not bad) and os4 being third, accounting for about a half of genuine amiga users. there is no aros (x86) figures in this case alas, though i consider it possible that it would be even lower than the os4 result.

q.e.d.

You can't really draw a conclusion based on a single piece of software.  I for example have never felt compelled to download Amiarcadia since it didn't appeal to me.

You really need to find a number of pieces of software available for all systems and get the averages across those pieces of software.  The more pieces of software the better.

Also since you pointed out that OS4 and MorphOS have their own repositories you really should be pulling the stats off those and adding them to the Aminet stats too.  I usually download OS4 software from OS4 depot.

The only times I remember going to Aminet in the past foew years is to actually provide link to a piece of 68k software for someone asking on the forums if there's a piece of software for the A500, A1200 etc that does X.

[wawrzon]

You can't really draw a conclusion based on a single piece of software. I for example have never felt compelled to download Amiarcadia since it didn't appeal to me.

neither to me. since this is the same piece of software for all these systems one can assume the interest distribution may be similar across their userbase though, figures? of course there may be some minor factors that influence this, like lack of own software that pushes customers for use of emulators (on genuine amiga there might not be much interest) or lacking system capabilities (the requirement is os3.5 and 16meg ram, which rules each an every unexpanded amiga right out) so in fact the amiga scene will be magnitudes bigger, in fact we are only talking here of expanded amiga power users.

You really need to find a number of pieces of software available for all systems and get the averages across those pieces of software. The more pieces of software the better.

i dont care so much to intentionally look for it, its only a quick observation, that fits each and every other hint i came across over the years. why should i assume the opposite of the hard facts?

Also since you pointed out that OS4 and MorphOS have their own repositories you really should be pulling the stats off those and adding them to the Aminet stats too. I usually download OS4 software from OS4 depot.

os4 depot: 12 downloads. i assume it concerns only the current version, still it doesnt mean anything in comparison with several thousands. does it?
morphos files: 76 downloads. much, much more, still only few. do i have a point or do i have a point?

The only times I remember going to Aminet in the past foew years is to actually provide link to a piece of 68k software for someone asking on the forums if there's a piece of software for the A500, A1200 etc that does X.

sure. same for me. likely the most visitors are uploaders themselves. ;=)

[spirantho]

AmiArcadia is a bad example.... at first AmigaOS 4 versions were included in the AmigaOS 3 archive. Then there was a long period of time when the AmigaOS 4 version wasn't updated but the MorphOS version was. There was also time when the opposite happened, as the AOS 3 version was the master version at first, and it was up to other people to port it to MOS and AOS - which happened at different frequencies.

I'm not saying that AOS4 has a much bigger userbase than MOS - I don't know if that's true or not - but I do know that you can't take one piece of software and if you had to do that, it should be a piece of software that was developed at the same pace on each OS.

Isn't this rather OT anyway?