AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)

[nicholas]

So why don't you stick with x86, AROS or WinUAE?

Let the rest of us enjoy good news about new hardware.

Perhaps it's because he's a potential customer and customer feedback is always good.

[yssing]

Yes feedback is good, but when its unconstrutive like "I want a 70$ mobo with cpu" then it can't really be considered feedback.

Besides I hardly beleive that those who want a 70$ puter are potential customers, but I might be wrong.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I'm not a potential customer.

I might have been 3,4 years ago, but the glacial speed of development of OS4, incomplete drivers and ridiculous hardware spec and prices have completely ruled that out.

In theory, I would have nothing against a nice OS4 machine, but it's price would have to reflect the fact that OS is archaic.

[nicholas]

Yes feedback is good, but when its unconstrutive like "I want a 70$ mobo with cpu" then it can't really be considered feedback.

Besides I hardly beleive that those who want a 70$ puter are potential customers, but I might be wrong.

I personally would love to run OS4 on Intel hardware. Emulated or native tbh.

[nicholas]

I'm not a potential customer.

I might have been 3,4 years ago, but the glacial speed of development of OS4, incomplete drivers and ridiculous hardware spec and prices have completely ruled that out.

In theory, I would have nothing against a nice OS4 machine, but it's price would have to reflect the fact that OS is archaic.

Well the question begs to be asked, why on earth do you visit Amiga sites and comment on threads regarding PPC hardware?

We all know it's a dead architecture and most of us would run OS4 or MOS on Intel hardware if it were possible (The latter being likely in the future) so other than "I'd buy your OS if you ported it to AMD64 ISA" what's the point in stating the obvious (That such hardware is faster and cheaper)?

[Iggy]

it's just an indication of how ridiculously underpowered and overpriced this custom PPC hardware is in 2013.

BTW, a quad core atom Z3770 is faster than a quad PPC970MP system at 2.5 GHz. So it is not slow, especially for 70 $

Nope, not even close.
And my G5 cost me $100.
So, for that I might get ARM.
Not X64.

[WolfToTheMoon]

Nope, not even close.
And my G5 cost me $100.
So, for that I might get ARM.
Not X64.

 http://www.7-cpu.com/

Pretty close... and that's Bay-Trail T , this board features a slightly faster Bay-Trail D SoC.

[Iggy]

http://www.7-cpu.com/

Pretty close... and that's Bay-Trail T , this board features a slightly faster Bay-Trail D SoC.

Looks  surprisingly close.

The real surprise is the C2750.

[Hattig]

I'm not a potential customer.

I might have been 3,4 years ago, but the glacial speed of development of OS4, incomplete drivers and ridiculous hardware spec and prices have completely ruled that out.

In theory, I would have nothing against a nice OS4 machine, but it's price would have to reflect the fact that OS is archaic.

If I could buy a system for $300 based around a cheap x86 (such as this $70 mobo+cpu), HD (+$50), RAM (+$40), case (+$50), OS4 license (?), etc, then I might stick the oar back in.

Or even something like the ODROID U2.

x86 and ARM are cheap. PowerPC is expensive. Continuing to bark up the PowerPC tree is just marginalising the existing users, and limiting the potential market.  If OS5 ever comes out as a new system with SMP and MP and all the other things it should have (i.e., running OS4 compatible apps in a sandbox because they wouldn't work), then it should use that opportunity to lose CPU architecture dependencies.

Yes, I know this won't fix support for all the other components on commodity motherboards, only very specific combinations of hardware would work (in the x86 realm) or specific boards (in the ARM realm). But they could be made for a fraction of the price.

[WolfToTheMoon]

If I could buy a system for $300 based around a cheap x86 (such as this $70 mobo+cpu), HD (+$50), RAM (+$40), case (+$50), OS4 license (?), etc, then I might stick the oar back in.

Or even something like the ODROID U2.

x86 and ARM are cheap. PowerPC is expensive. Continuing to bark up the PowerPC tree is just marginalising the existing users, and limiting the potential market.  If OS5 ever comes out as a new system with SMP and MP and all the other things it should have (i.e., running OS4 compatible apps in a sandbox because they wouldn't work), then it should use that opportunity to lose CPU architecture dependencies.

Yes, I know this won't fix support for all the other components on commodity motherboards, only very specific combinations of hardware would work (in the x86 realm) or specific boards (in the ARM realm). But they could be made for a fraction of the price.

They're committed to the PowerPC now, Trevor/Amigakit have invested far too much money into PPC hardware for any x86 or ARM ports to be possible. The point of no return has been passed long ago.

I agree with you... money spent on hardware would have been much better spent(from my perspective, at least) getting OS4 ported to another ISA + bringing more SW on the platform. But it's too late now.

[nicholas]

They're committed to the PowerPC now, Trevor/Amigakit have invested far too much money into PPC hardware for any x86 or ARM ports to be possible. The point of no return has been passed long ago.

I agree with you... money spent on hardware would have been much better spent(from my perspective, at least) getting OS4 ported to another ISA + bringing more SW on the platform. But it's too late now.

What you are forgetting is that OS4 belongs to neither Trevor nor AmigaKit.

If Hyperion one day decide to port OS4 to Intel hardware there is pretty much bugger all Trevor or AmigaKit can do except complain.

[WolfToTheMoon]

What you are forgetting is that OS4 belongs to neither Trevor nor AmigaKit.

If Hyperion one day decide to port OS4 to Intel hardware there is pretty much bugger all Trevor or AmigaKit can do except complain.

Hermans was one of the original partners in A-eon that invested in X1000. I guess that there is no firm mechanism for trevor or Amigakit that could stop Hyperion from porting OS4 to x86, however without Trevor I very much doubt that Hyperion would have the money to do such a port.

[nicholas]

Hermans was one of the original partners in A-eon that invested in X1000. I guess that there is no firm mechanism for trevor or Amigakit that could stop Hyperion from porting OS4 to x86, however without Trevor I very much doubt that Hyperion would have the money to do such a port.

True, but as I understand it there is no love lost between Hermans and Trevor so however slim the chance of an Intel port it's still a chance.

There's more chance of the Pope becoming a Hindu though.

[WolfToTheMoon]

True, but as I understand it there is no love lost between Hermans and Trevor so however slim the chance of an Intel port it's still a chance.

There's more chance of the Pope becoming a Hindu though.

Well, Trevor should then hope to recoup his investments before that happens.
There might be a contingency plan for supporting MOS, if MOS is still developed for PPC by that time.

[nicholas]

Well, Trevor should then hope to recoup his investments before that happens.
There might be a contingency plan for supporting MOS, if MOS is still developed for PPC by that time.

MOS is clearly the better solution so they'd be crazy not to fund its development for the X5000.

[WolfToTheMoon]

MOS is clearly the better solution so they'd be crazy not to fund its development for the X5000.

yeah, but what incentive would a MOS user have to pay 3000$ for X5000 when G5 Macs are available for more than 10 times less? Doesn't compute...